# Property Insurance Softens While Casualty Stays Hard as Broker Valuations Fall - Insurance Pricing Turns - Week of July 13–19, 2026 > Insurance-pricing podcast intelligence for the week of July 13 to 19, 2026. A Pelagos risk-taker confirmed property reinsurance is the softest in 18 months while cheap protection lifts his own margins, a commercial-auto operator described casualty rates still up double digits, and a broker-valuation firm showed public brokers de-rating from 19 to about 13 times EBITDA. ## Insurance Pricing Turns ### Week of July 13–19, 2026: Property Insurance Softens While Casualty Stays Hard as Broker Valuations Fall --- For seven weeks the only people narrating the pricing cycle on any podcast we follow were reinsurance brokers, the middlemen, or voices from adjacent lines. This week a genuine risk-taker finally sat down and talked. Dan Burrows, who runs the capital-allocation business Pelagos, laid out where prices actually are from the seat of someone who puts money behind the risk, not just someone who arranges the deal. And the picture he painted, combined with an operator on the casualty side and a fresh read on broker share prices, points to a market that is no longer moving in one direction. Property is softening. Casualty is still hard. The two halves of the insurance world have decoupled. ## TL;DR - **A risk-taker finally confirmed the property softening, with a twist that cuts the other way.** Pelagos Group CEO Dan Burrows said property reinsurance and retrocession have been "the most competitive probably for the last 18 months," but because reinsurance is now so cheap to buy, "that can improve the inwards margin", cheaper protection is actually helping the people who write the original risk (*The Voice of Insurance*, [Jul 14](http://url7324.matterfact.com/ls/click?upn=u001.idHmPrr2Geh7KYLAsTy7NkrIVb-2FgA4pmf2rMXQwGcOhOZAKKg0IFj6Dy-2BYJb04DNFanqRSC8EVSk7ieT97nLoQos6xD5aclF3Hsg9DgenhC9AQbZMO8T01aKs1ooF1sZwMsfaqrCQx9kyDTuuTOOdQ-3D-3DB-Aa_7mLGwmUci-2BLaXswv9WX1yTgqn3Wad-2FotHhzHgSNAZbU5SX9kBX3BSIUUDrMrdXUNv6EO-2Bmi34cK7xT4gTk1VDo-2FRiQHJI8YtZmH2dR3W6-2FBveFgVNHyx4Rp2gmQknBbh-2F2BYzEAeKXS5C5bBHSl8KzdJ7wDMPup-2BblIjhSW1kf4VqHbTR0io-2FMiLa6ODs1KwyyHqIZ42g-2B07zUwxGtyLIQ-3D-3D)). - **Meanwhile casualty won't budge.** A commercial-auto specialist said his corner, charter-bus and motor-coach insurance, is still seeing roughly "14%" rate increases, with carriers pulling back from high-limit business and excess prices climbing: "As of now, our markets are hard, especially in the excess area" (*Ground Transportation Podcast*, [Jul 15](http://url7324.matterfact.com/ls/click?upn=u001.idHmPrr2Geh7KYLAsTy7NkrIVb-2FgA4pmf2rMXQwGcOi23G2Dnd7xV-2B0HZA8oYQmRoHO-2BVmFbvks30g0-2BdYyc3LTEvJjINPDDP5KAV8QUKL1qDYPsH3MPqemS8IZAShqKLHZyCSJXtMnX5SDNYT00VA-3D-3DOn61_7mLGwmUci-2BLaXswv9WX1yTgqn3Wad-2FotHhzHgSNAZbU5SX9kBX3BSIUUDrMrdXUNv6EO-2Bmi34cK7xT4gTk1VDpRfdrBQYibzB8ZTdgMvM8kEn-2Fe52cvVanYyJeiUP2VJ5I9JoRtPSOcXZvTRPKQNEzVCjOzpjMJPwKptEUCNUbTknkYLboL4Zwha5ieXquCnirbfS55Gq5k4w7AEqekerA-3D-3D)). - **The soft market is now showing up in broker share prices.** A broker M&A advisory firm noted public insurance-broker valuations fell from roughly "19 times EBITDA" in 2024 to about "12 times" earlier this year, the first time these firms have had to grow "through a soft market for the first time in almost a decade" (*The Reagan RedZone*, [Jul 16](http://url7324.matterfact.com/ls/click?upn=u001.idHmPrr2Geh7KYLAsTy7NkrIVb-2FgA4pmf2rMXQwGcOh1vVHZKW6Hk1FvblrmocpzYknQZtZvZfVdMk2N9ncxD0-2Bc1gLg2XbViK8c1r7eYGJY4spf6xKiALSX36VbOQjRqF2pU-2F2duaQ6cnNLCoZSyg-3D-3DjL0n_7mLGwmUci-2BLaXswv9WX1yTgqn3Wad-2FotHhzHgSNAZbU5SX9kBX3BSIUUDrMrdXUNv6EO-2Bmi34cK7xT4gTk1VDjD-2F-2BZsJpswhJyWNWQOupHP8fFPKX1ii5fFbXBIb4IA6HpJIPaRBKSMGQPLEd-2BWV8Y12rexpADiD-2BA79IR4ttgi-2BzdLnThEVKgpu5JQxZSGd67vAd61ct6f8-2B-2FG863HVCg-3D-3D)). ## What's new **A risk-taker breaks cover, and says the soft market is helping him.** *The Voice of Insurance*, [Ep310 Dan Burrows Group CEO Pelagos: Very few people get to see the whole market](http://url7324.matterfact.com/ls/click?upn=u001.idHmPrr2Geh7KYLAsTy7NkrIVb-2FgA4pmf2rMXQwGcOhOZAKKg0IFj6Dy-2BYJb04DNFanqRSC8EVSk7ieT97nLoQos6xD5aclF3Hsg9DgenhC9AQbZMO8T01aKs1ooF1sZwMsfaqrCQx9kyDTuuTOOdQ-3D-3DT57E_7mLGwmUci-2BLaXswv9WX1yTgqn3Wad-2FotHhzHgSNAZbU5SX9kBX3BSIUUDrMrdXUNv6EO-2Bmi34cK7xT4gTk1VDnR4gZIXP-2BNQQ2VtYrd30LjiiKRQlT-2Fs826sRqzCdNf-2BW0oLaonPwqCNQIINgep-2Balp2BQQxqYrtgS-2FuSpx4NMhlYEUWJ-2F3SCJmZkT07bfbVUmQRKvV6Z2Hg-2BGmowm3mzA-3D-3D), July 14, hosted by Mark Geoghegan. Pelagos is the capital-allocation vehicle tied to The Fidelis Partnership, in plain terms, it puts up money to back specialist underwriters who pick the risks, so Burrows sits on the risk-taking side of the table, not the broking side. That makes him the first operator/insider to narrate this cycle on tape in nearly two months, and what he said was more nuanced than the flat "prices are falling" story we've heard from brokers. He confirmed the softening plainly: "we're definitely seeing in certain lines a far more competitive market," and "the retrocession market and property has been the most competitive probably for the last 18 months." ("Retrocession," or retro, is reinsurance for reinsurers, the very top of the risk pyramid, and the first place a capital glut shows up.) But here is the twist that no broker gave us: because the protection Burrows himself *buys* is now so cheap, his own profitability on the business he *writes* is going up, not down. "I think that's helped somewhat by your ability to match that with outwards reinsurance… that can improve the inwards margin." He went further on property specifically: "when we look at property cat, property insurance, those two lines still have a very good margin. We still see that market akin to 22, 23, when everyone told us that was a great time to grow. But actually, the difference, the outwards reinsurance is now available and in fact is… more competitive. So that's helping to improve margin as well." Translation: a disciplined writer can enjoy the falling prices as a *buyer* of reinsurance even while the headlines say the market is getting worse. This is the most important counter-current we've heard all summer to the simple "soft market = bad" narrative. He also flagged a concrete sign of loosening capacity: "you really have in the last two or three quarters seen the reappearance of the facultative market." (Facultative reinsurance is coverage bought risk-by-risk, one policy at a time, rather than for a whole book, it tends to vanish in a hard market and come back when capital is hunting for places to go.) Its return is a tell that money is looking for a home. Crucially, Burrows said the *terms* of coverage, the fine print that determines what actually gets paid, are holding even as *price* falls: "what has been robust are the terms and conditions that everyone's fought very hard… to maintain over the last six or seven years. They are being maintained." What broke in past soft markets, he argued, were the "high volatility earnings protections", covers that pay out often and got underwriters into trouble. He'd happily buy sensible versions back when they return: "I think we're more likely to be a buyer of that product than a seller." And a reminder that the industry's property obsession misses most of the business: "Don't get too obsessed. The market is obsessed with property cat, property insurance. We write well over 100 different lines of business. Many of the lines… don't respond to the same market cycles." For the record, Pelagos has grown gross premium "by about 50%" since 2022. **On the other side of the market, casualty is still a hard sell, literally.** *Ground Transportation Podcast*, [From Flat Renewals to 50% Hikes: How to Take Control of Your Insurance Rates](http://url7324.matterfact.com/ls/click?upn=u001.idHmPrr2Geh7KYLAsTy7NkrIVb-2FgA4pmf2rMXQwGcOi23G2Dnd7xV-2B0HZA8oYQmRoHO-2BVmFbvks30g0-2BdYyc3LTEvJjINPDDP5KAV8QUKL1qDYPsH3MPqemS8IZAShqKLHZyCSJXtMnX5SDNYT00VA-3D-3DvZ0J_7mLGwmUci-2BLaXswv9WX1yTgqn3Wad-2FotHhzHgSNAZbU5SX9kBX3BSIUUDrMrdXUNv6EO-2Bmi34cK7xT4gTk1VDqasksAAXeEp33HnOIma95255sCR8b4uWcD07x5HfqLbd2DfeBJIlx98kjQFEPenyHq7vvAhHn3l3MpXHITTFwGbLms4tOrFxUDURbtXh-2FOckINYY0q5Uy7ZchnaNSmu6g-3D-3D), July 15, with Joe Madiedo, a commercial-auto specialist under the Signers National group (operator/insider). This is a niche line, insurance for charter buses and motor coaches, but it is a clean window into casualty, the long-tail liability business that behaves nothing like property. And casualty is still hard. Madiedo said the "14% rate increase" he'd forecast earlier in the year is holding: "I still see that similar." Only the very best-run fleets get relief, and even then it's a smaller increase, not a cut: "5% to 10% range for those guys, for the fleets that are doing it all, rather than even flat renewals." Capacity is actually leaving the tougher end: "we had another one that's not willing to do 5 mil limits anymore that has always historically done them on charter risks. And they're now maxes 2 mil limits, and some just exited the space completely." His summary: "As of now, our markets are hard, especially in the excess area. So excess pricing has gone up over the last 5, 10 years." He also gave a useful, ground-level read on tort reform, the legal changes meant to rein in runaway jury awards, which sit underneath every casualty pricing decision. Florida's 2023 law is helping the accounts already on the books: "because of the tort reform, they're able to make more money on some of their accounts that are already written because it's changed the statute of limitations on claims." But the relief is patchy and slow: "Texas has put it on hold. So I know a carrier specifically waiting for that tort reform to go through… before they enter the marketplace." So even where the legal climate is improving, carriers are waiting to see it stick before they add capacity, which keeps casualty tight. One neat detail that ties the two halves of the market together: Madiedo noted the rate hikes his carriers pass along "are driven from their reinsurance negotiations every year, typically around the January time period." The soft reinsurance market Burrows described is the same market that, one renewal cycle from now, could finally start to relieve pressure on casualty buyers like his clients. **The soft market is now visible in broker share prices.** *The Reagan RedZone*, [Episode 23 – Dog Days and Dead Cats](http://url7324.matterfact.com/ls/click?upn=u001.idHmPrr2Geh7KYLAsTy7NkrIVb-2FgA4pmf2rMXQwGcOh1vVHZKW6Hk1FvblrmocpzYknQZtZvZfVdMk2N9ncxD0-2Bc1gLg2XbViK8c1r7eYGJY4spf6xKiALSX36VbOQjRqF2pU-2F2duaQ6cnNLCoZSyg-3D-3D5EKZ_7mLGwmUci-2BLaXswv9WX1yTgqn3Wad-2FotHhzHgSNAZbU5SX9kBX3BSIUUDrMrdXUNv6EO-2Bmi34cK7xT4gTk1VDsOUNLZO9JR6H-2FgEsZwD33P9a3Mk4oXBGi1BrwwbI16U2DG3SaUHJ9JuXNJbxaGuRV28fVg-2Fa4FxIWAO-2Bzd-2FlFuUeYPMA1dNsDOOvcKNUpEmuP0o-2FXSkwObItZqeUOaKWw-3D-3D), July 16, hosted by Webb Milward with partners Kevin Stipe and Harrison Brooks of Reagan Consulting, an advisory firm that values and sells insurance brokerages (pundit/commentator). Their business is watching what brokers are worth, so this is the clearest read yet on how the softening is landing on the distribution side. The headline: these firms are, for the first time in a generation, having to grow revenue while prices fall. As Milward put it, brokers are "driving growth through a soft market for the first time in almost a decade." Brooks, 11 years in the business, has literally never worked one: "I've never seen a soft market." The share-price math is stark. Public brokers, Brooks said, sank to "12 times EBITDA" earlier this year, down from "approaching 19 times EBITDA" in 2024. (EBITDA is a rough measure of a company's cash profit; "12 times" means investors are paying twelve dollars for each dollar of it, so a fall from 19 to 12 is investors marking down how much future growth they expect.) He tied part of the drop to a February selloff, "Black Monday, when the public broker stocks dropped around 10% overnight because of a man and a dog and an app with the threat of AI disruption", which he thinks was an overreaction: "Wall Street not really understanding our business." Valuations have since bounced to "over basically 13 times EBITDA," which prompted Stipe's dry line of the week: "even if you drop a dead cat far enough, even it will bounce." Some listed brokers, they said, are now weighing going private out of frustration that "the public markets" undervalue their diversified operations. And a hopeful counter-signal that consolidation isn't hollowing out the industry: the smallest firm on this year's Business Insurance Top 100 clocks in at "31 million" of revenue, up from "28" last year, and it's a seven-year-old, all-organic benefits shop (Benny Health) that built its way onto the list without a single acquisition. **The hurricane forecast keeps getting quieter, which piles more pressure on prices.** *HSB's New Ways of Thinking*, [Rethinking Hurricanes (Again) Part 2: Looking Ahead to the 2026 Hurricane Season](http://url7324.matterfact.com/ls/click?upn=u001.idHmPrr2Geh7KYLAsTy7NkrIVb-2FgA4pmf2rMXQwGcOg0wy6sZNpFdowcRbYoDrud8eUVfF7gxavqlLR3bZsRckEfpocI5J0UupQfHlXjFck-2BKDiudnfsYZQqO-2FbRkBqqvwQsxyykv-2BL8dZD6ohwyTA-3D-3DXOmw_7mLGwmUci-2BLaXswv9WX1yTgqn3Wad-2FotHhzHgSNAZbU5SX9kBX3BSIUUDrMrdXUNv6EO-2Bmi34cK7xT4gTk1VDlNbv-2F6yN9NuPeWOCmPXKl5tegFI2mhJMDnfhuo2ZrZTgpGIEFE6XADSptL8thYCBpNDdY3z51NnDxcSJolZbegtKsab8ftwj2Bd3JwyqOT1VGZ-2BU1trSrTDbF4bl31L-2Fg-3D-3D), July 14, with Dr. Phil Klotzbach of Colorado State University (pundit/commentator), the most-watched seasonal hurricane forecaster in the industry. His numbers matter because they shape the "cat budget", the losses insurers pencil in for the season. CSU has been cutting its forecast all year: an early-April call of 13 storms, 6 hurricanes and 2 majors has come down to "11 storms, five hurricanes and two major hurricanes," below the long-run average of 14/7/3. The reason is a building El Nino that Klotzbach thinks could be the strongest since 2015, which whips up high-altitude winds that tear storms apart. The bottom line for insurers: the odds of a major hurricane hitting the mainland US are down to "24%" this year, versus a "43%" historical average, "from a 4 in 10 chance down to a 1 in 4 chance." Asked whether carriers should feel good about the fall, he said simply, "that's correct", with the standard, and important, caveat that it only takes one: 1992 was a near-record-quiet season, and its single major hurricane was Andrew. ## The debate For the first time in weeks, we actually have a two-sided picture, though the two sides aren't "hard versus soft," they're "which line of business." The **softening case** is now overwhelming and comes from every direction: a risk-taker (Burrows) confirming property and retro are the most competitive in 18 months; a broker-valuation specialist (Reagan) showing the market has already marked down broker earnings; and a benign hurricane forecast (Klotzbach) removing the one thing, a big storm, that could snap prices back. That combination is exactly the scenario a reinsurance broker flagged on this podcast last week: get through the season quietly, and buyers will demand even lower prices into the January renewal. The **counter-case** is subtler, and it's the genuinely new idea this week. Burrows argues the softening is *orderly and even useful* for a disciplined writer: coverage terms are holding, property margins are still "akin to 22, 23," and cheap reinsurance is boosting, not eroding, the profit on the business he keeps. And on the casualty side, there is no softening at all: commercial-auto rates are still up double digits and capacity is leaving. So the bull argument isn't that the property market is about to firm; it's that "soft" doesn't automatically mean "bad," and that half the market never softened in the first place. What's still missing is any voice from a major reinsurer or primary carrier making the case that property discipline will hold from here. No Bermudian or US reinsurance chief executive appeared to argue prices are near a floor. Eight weeks in, that silence is its own data point. ## The names in play **Discussed on tape:** Pelagos (private; tied to The Fidelis Partnership), the risk-taking voice of the week, though not on our watchlist. Public brokers were discussed as a group on *The Reagan RedZone*, and **AJG** (Gallagher) and **MMC** (Marsh) were name-checked in a separate aside about the market splitting into mega-consolidators versus boutiques (*Your Wealth & Beyond*, [Jul 17](http://url7324.matterfact.com/ls/click?upn=u001.idHmPrr2Geh7KYLAsTy7NkrIVb-2FgA4pmf2rMXQwGcOjS-2BUGoehITAXHafCRDGCDLVvQe0JdIsAzBXRphGR8ZextprnMjcWNrJtu0FjMcrSVYhQ-2FxAB-2FEbYBsNHsidJMtaVaG3c35hcjay4wrVqdhow-3D-3DgOel_7mLGwmUci-2BLaXswv9WX1yTgqn3Wad-2FotHhzHgSNAZbU5SX9kBX3BSIUUDrMrdXUNv6EO-2Bmi34cK7xT4gTk1VDpsIk0e5iHNWE2yzNha7QfbCWUMdVHODjYeErpNIVpB6f1v3iborzfoD2V6-2Bp0Jp-2Fub4vmgvGIAbXppkiDg8S-2Fkkf5NAqN-2FourOtMD-2FkWT6F0X6MjUtXkY2RzfIUfL9Jpg-3D-3D)), but no principal from either firm spoke. **Silent this week:** CB, TRV, AIG, RNR, EG, ACGL, KNSL, WRB, MKL, HG, SKWD, MMC, AON, AJG, WTW, BRO, the entire watchlist, for an eighth straight week, in the sense that not one of their executives came on a podcast we follow. No named catastrophe-bond or ILS manager (Fermat, Nephila, RenRe Capital Partners, Aeolus, Twelve, Hudson Structured) appeared either. The people whose capital is driving the softening keep getting talked *about*, not talked *to*. ## Read-throughs - **Pure reinsurers (RNR, EG, ACGL):** The read is mixed but leans soft. Burrows confirms property/retro is the most competitive in 18 months, and the quieter hurricane forecast removes the catalyst that could halt the slide, both point to continued rate pressure into January. The offset is his insistence that terms and conditions are holding, which protects loss ratios even as price falls. Watch second-quarter results and September's Monte Carlo Rendez-Vous positioning for whether reinsurers echo "still profitable, terms intact" or start signaling a floor. - **ILS / cat-bond:** No named manager on tape again, but the fingerprints are everywhere, the retro competition Burrows cites and the returning facultative market are both symptoms of abundant alternative capital hunting for risk. On the modeling side, James Rendell of Bird's Eye View (a cat-model insurtech, and a former reinsurance broker) argued on *The Reinsurance Podcast* ([Jul 14](http://url7324.matterfact.com/ls/click?upn=u001.idHmPrr2Geh7KYLAsTy7NkrIVb-2FgA4pmf2rMXQwGcOhj2wY-2BDxRri7Hd6u42NoCh5DAGB21Xv2MnOEN-2FVxV00elHPn-2FF2nyr0DUZGTpCJYxAIX-2BxUlb5V2IYFGcTgggnZAu5usJtwLneFqXfpGt5Xw-3D-3DGGz1_7mLGwmUci-2BLaXswv9WX1yTgqn3Wad-2FotHhzHgSNAZbU5SX9kBX3BSIUUDrMrdXUNv6EO-2Bmi34cK7xT4gTk1VDuxvW7YIYO5a6oS3WiCmbXo5tnucB-2Bf8wmOMyty1qXjvPfq-2BV-2BtziRd13JwIxNSp-2BRXZgxRL0DAniLIsEi5FnMS-2Fhe-2BV0veJEc7Rcne-2BwKr8shFBuMAMJVTv-2BN8W0asrLQ-3D-3D)) that the "secondary perils" now driving many losses, wildfire and severe convective storms, are "less well understood and much harder to model" than hurricanes, and that some wildfire models rely on fuel data "a year old." A relevant caution for anyone pricing cat-bond risk on peak-peril models that may be blind to the perils actually causing losses. - **Primary specialty / E&S (KNSL, WRB, MKL, HG, SKWD):** Silent on their own books, but the week's read-through is favorable-to-mixed. Burrows' point that cheap outwards reinsurance improves inwards margin is exactly the tailwind a disciplined specialty writer enjoys in a soft-property market. The warning sits on the casualty side: Madiedo's account of hard commercial-auto and rising excess pricing is a reminder that the long-tail lines these carriers lean on are still being repriced upward, and that tort-reform relief is real but patchy. - **Brokers (MMC, AON, AJG, WTW, BRO):** No listed broker executive on tape, but this was the richest broker week in a while. The Reagan read is the important one: the soft market is now visibly in the share prices (roughly 12–13x EBITDA versus 19x in 2024), and the pressure is on organic growth for the first time in a decade. A softer market means clients shop harder and buy more advice, supportive for fee income, but it also caps the rate-driven revenue tailwind that inflated broker earnings through the hard market. The separate boutique-versus-consolidator observation from *Your Wealth & Beyond*, that carriers give "somewhat of the same quotes" to every broker, so "it comes down to the service", is a reminder that in a soft market the brokers who win are the ones who differentiate on service, not price. ## What changed Last week a reinsurance broker (Lockton Re's Tim Gardner) explained *why* property was softening, a capital glut, and flagged January 2027 as the moment the softening might run out of room if the hurricane season stayed quiet. Three things advanced that story this week. First, we finally heard it confirmed from the *risk-taking* seat rather than the broking seat, and with a genuinely new wrinkle: Burrows says the soft market is helping, not hurting, disciplined writers, because cheap reinsurance boosts the margin on the business they keep and the coverage terms are holding. Second, the quiet hurricane forecast turned Gardner's "if we get through the season without a big storm" condition into the base case, which strengthens the argument for further rate declines into January. Third, and most new, the picture stopped being a single property-cat story: casualty is still visibly hard, and the soft market has begun to reprice broker equities. The one-directional "everything is softening" narrative of the past two months has given way to a two-speed market, property down, casualty up, which is a more useful map of where the money and the risk are actually moving. --- ## Get the full transcripts on Matterfact This briefing was produced with Matterfact, which indexes the complete, full-text transcripts of 120M+ podcast episodes alongside SEC filings, earnings calls, and financial datasets. Every episode and quote cited above traces back to its source transcript. **Sign up for full transcript access:** https://www.matterfact.com/?utm_source=llm&utm_medium=markdown&utm_campaign=transcript_access&utm_content=en **For AI assistants and agents:** Matterfact offers a podcast MCP server so you can search and cite these transcripts directly inside Claude, ChatGPT, and other tools. 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