# Meta's Muse Spooks the Ad World While Amazon Walls It Off - Digital Ads & Retail Media Weekly - Week of September 20-27, 2026 > A synthesis of what advertising, retail-media, and investing podcasts said about digital ads for the week of September 20-27, 2026, built around Meta's Muse AI agent reaching number one on the app stores and the question of what happens to ads when a software agent does the shopping. Amazon blocked Muse to protect a $70 billion to $80 billion ad business while Shopify opened up, ChatGPT's ad business passed a $1 billion run rate, and AppLovin's CEO detailed an 84% margin. ## Digital Ads & Retail Media Weekly ### Week of September 20-27, 2026: Meta's Muse Spooks the Ad World While Amazon Walls It Off --- ## TL;DR - **This week's big story came from Meta, but it wasn't really an ads story.** Meta's new AI agent, Muse, went to #1 on both app stores. On the podcasts, that raised a hard question for the whole industry: if a software agent does your shopping for you, who is left to see the ads? - **Amazon blocked Muse from its store.** Podcasters said that was to protect its ad business (they put it at $70–80 billion a year). Shopify did the opposite and opened its catalog to Muse. ARK's Brett Winton thinks Amazon will eventually give in. - **The best Meta episode was about the core ad business, not Muse.** On The Investor's Podcast, Daniel Mahncke pointed out a gap in Meta's Q2 numbers. In the US and Canada, the number of ads shown grew 9% while the price per ad jumped 20%. In Asia it was 17% more ads and only 1% higher prices. His reading: in its richest market, Meta is growing by charging more, not by showing more ads. - **ChatGPT's ads business passed a $1 billion annual run rate in under 200 days**, according to The AI Files. Google's stock reportedly dipped on the news. AppLovin CEO Adam Foroughi's view is that chatbot ads mostly compete with Google Search and don't make the overall ad market bigger. - **AppLovin's CEO gave real numbers.** He puts ad spend on AppLovin's platform at about $20 billion a year, growing about 60% a year, and its EBITDA margin (a rough measure of cash profit) at 84%. - **In retail media, the week's theme was teaming up.** Best Buy will sell ads on Amazon Fire TV screens. GoPuff moved its ad business onto Instacart's Carrot Ads tools. Kroger's retail media business was reported up 24%. - **Quiet corners.** Reddit, Pinterest, Snap, Criteo, Magnite, PubMatic and LiveRamp got no real ad-business coverage this week. The Trade Desk came up only as a punching bag, called a "3 to 5% grower" by a competitor's CEO. ## What's new ### 1. Meta's ad engine: a pricing gap under the good headline numbers The most useful ads discussion of the week was a Meta deep-dive on **The Investor's Podcast**, *"TIP848: Meta (META): What the Market Misses?"* (Sept 24). The same conversation was reposted Sept 27 as **TIVP099** on The Intrinsic Value Podcast. Hosts Daniel Mahncke and Shawn O'Malley walked through how Meta's ad revenue actually grows. **The basics.** Meta's ad revenue is roughly "how many ads are shown" (impressions) times "the price per ad." Advertisers set prices by bidding in an auction; Meta doesn't set them. Impressions can grow in two ways: - Meta can put more ads in your feed. That's called raising the "ad load." - People can spend more time in the apps and so scroll past more ads. Mahncke noted that, according to Meta, time spent on Instagram and Facebook grew about 10% in both Q1 and Q2 of this year. That was "the major reason for impression growth." More time spent is the healthier way to grow. **The Q2 regional split.** Worldwide, Meta's Q2 impressions grew 14% and prices grew 12%. Mahncke called that "pretty good" on the surface. But by region: | Region | Ad impressions growth | Price per ad growth | | --- | --- | --- | | Worldwide | +14% | +12% | | US & Canada | +9% | +20% | | Asia | +17% | +1% | His reading: if Meta's AI were simply making ads work better, prices should be rising in Asia too. Since they aren't, "I have to assume that Meta's sort of turning the dial in North America to get growth there right now." In other words, it may be squeezing advertisers' returns rather than improving them. O'Malley added that this isn't the most sustainable way to grow, but it is a lever few companies have: "the ad load dial can be turned. And for a quarter, you get an additional ad shown and voila, you're back to 20% plus." **Why this matters for the stock.** Mahncke argued that Meta reached about $700 a share earlier this year because of what he calls "the AI ad algorithm narrative." In Q1, Meta looked like the only big tech company getting a clear payoff from AI: "this $200 billion ads business, and apparently AI makes it much more efficient." Meta's ad-ranking AI systems (Andromeda, GEM and Lattice) helped push up both ad volume and ad prices in Q1. These are the same systems that rebuilt Meta's targeting after Apple's 2021 privacy changes. In Q2, pricing did more of the work, and he thinks that change, more than the lawsuits or AI spending, is what the market noticed. He added an important caveat. Higher prices don't have to hurt advertisers, because Meta's advertisers mostly care about return on ad spend (ROAS). If the cost per lead rises from $1 to $1.10 but each lead spends 10% more, the advertiser is no worse off. The trouble comes only if prices rise without the ads getting better. O'Malley also explained why a drop in ad prices can actually be good news. When Meta opens a big new block of ad space, as with Stories in 2018 or Reels in 2022, prices fall because supply jumps. That cheaper space draws in more advertisers, targeting improves, and "a few quarters later, you have both impressions and pricing growing at the same time." 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What advertisers saw: creator ads and a rough September Two operator podcasts described what's happening inside actual Meta ad accounts. **Creator "Partnership Ads" are taking a much bigger share.** On **The DTC Podcast** (*"Meta Partnership Ads Now Make Up 30 to 50% of the Ads on Our Biggest Accounts,"* Sept 25), Jacob Geary of the agency Pilothouse described the shift. A partnership ad is a brand's ad that runs under a creator's name and profile. For larger, fast-growing accounts, Geary said, "it's typically like 30 to 50% of the total ads are running under partnership," which is "way more than it was six months ago." The details: - **Cheaper to show.** "Typically the CPMs are going to be a lot better on them." (CPM is the cost to show an ad 1,000 times.) The reason: people stop scrolling when an ad comes from a person rather than a brand page, so Meta delivers it more efficiently. Geary also said partnership ads fight "ad blindness," where shoppers see a brand's ads so often they become "fog." - **Cheap to test.** Creators typically get "a hundred, 200, 300 per creator for a few videos for, you know, 60 days usage." - **Smaller creators hold up.** Micro-creators deliver "very similar performance" to big influencers. - **Where to start.** For brands new to the format, he suggests putting 10–15% of budget toward it for a month, with four or five creators. **September was a bad month for Meta advertisers.** On **The Ecommerce Alley Podcast** (*"Why Meta Ad Performance Tanked In September 2026,"* Sept 21), the hosts described a stretch of sharply higher costs per sale across many accounts, with "no meta reported incidences." They track this with a free "bad day detector" built on a panel of e-commerce brands spending millions of dollars. Their theory is that Meta makes its big algorithm changes at two points each year, the move from Q1 to Q2 and the move from Q3 to Q4, and then leaves things alone "by beginning to mid-October" so advertisers can spend freely in the holiday quarter. They said the bad days were already becoming less severe, and performance "picked up like crazy" the morning they recorded. This is one agency's experience, not company data, but it's worth keeping in mind next to the pricing debate above. 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Muse and the "agents don't see ads" problem Muse dominated the week's podcasts. On **The Rundown** (Sept 22), the hosts cited Sensor Tower data showing 2.5 million downloads in 13 days. Muse was the #1 free app on both the Apple App Store and Google Play, ahead of ChatGPT. On **Dumb Money Live** (Sept 23), the hosts said Meta stock jumped 11% in a single day, adding almost $200 billion in value. Most of that coverage was about AI products and the stock. A few episodes asked what Muse means for advertising. **Wells Fargo's analyst thinks Muse adds to Meta rather than replacing it.** On **Bloomberg Surveillance** (Sept 22), Wells Fargo's Ken Gawrelski estimated that "roughly half of Meta's advertising is from the e-commerce vertical." That is exactly the kind of shopping an agent could take over. His argument: - The ad industry was built on the idea that "if you could see the transaction, then it is an effective piece of advertising," and "agentic really does challenge this." - He expects "some impact on retail media advertising" across the industry. - For Meta specifically, he thinks Muse is "a brand new use case." People use Instagram for entertainment; they'd use Muse for getting things done. "We don't believe that you'll spend less time on Instagram because you're using Muse." He added that "this will be a challenge for Google because Google's search business is much more akin to this." **How Muse might make money.** Different shows laid out the options: - **Chip Stock Investor Podcast** (Sept 25) put Meta's ad revenue at about $59 billion a quarter, out of about $60 billion for its apps business overall. The hosts said the free version of Muse could support ads that are worth more because Meta would know your intent. Their example: if you ask Muse to search for plane tickets, it might work out from your inbox "this user might be going on a business trip." - **Best Stocks Now** (Sept 24) listed three ways Muse could make money: subscriptions, commissions on purchases made through partners (it named PayPal, Walmart, Best Buy, Expedia and Instacart, "and you'll notice that Amazon is missing"), and ads. Bill Gunderson's view is that the commission model, "a small commission on billions of transactions," could end up worth more than subscriptions. - The shows didn't agree on subscription prices. Chip Stock cited $7.99 and $19.99 monthly plans. Best Stocks cited a $20 "Power" plan and a $100 "Maximum" plan. Treat these as unconfirmed. - On **Onramp** (Sept 22), a speaker cited Meta's "last disclosed North American Facebook ARPU" (average revenue per user) of "around $227 a year, largely from ads." He suspects Muse can push that "significantly higher" because it knows "what I need, what I buy, and what I'm planning to do." 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Amazon blocks Muse, Shopify opens up According to Bloomberg Surveillance, Amazon blocked Muse from its store on Sept 21. Three podcasts said the reason was advertising: - **ARK Invest's Brett Winton**, on *FYI – For Your Innovation* (*"Amazon Just Blocked AI Shopping. Shopify Opened Up,"* Sept 24): "I think what they're really protecting is the ad business. That's $70 billion, it's extremely profitable for them. And if it's agents that are crawling your site, then the ads are meaningless." Shopify went the other way, putting Shop Pay inside Muse and letting Muse index its product catalog. Winton pointed out that Shopify alone is about "15 percent of e-commerce," so "a huge portion of commerce that just instantly got indexed by agents." - **His fix for Amazon:** "add a 5% take rate on all agent commerce." In other words, shopping by agent costs you 5% more, which on a $10 item "most people might not care" about. His co-host suggested auctions for agent traffic. - **A game-theory problem.** Once Walmart or Target lets agents in and sees sales rise, "how exactly do you go back to your shareholders and your board and say, no, we're still not doing this." Winton expects Amazon to reverse course. - **Dumb Money Live** (Sept 23) was blunter: if agent shopping takes off, Amazon's ad business is "basically kaput… You've got an $80 billion revenue line item that gets pushed away because the bots don't want to look at ads." (Note that the two podcasts put Amazon's ad business at different sizes, $70 billion and $80 billion.) - **Wells Fargo's Gawrelski** expects the two sides to reach a deal over time. His reasoning: Amazon "is more than a third of e-commerce and is a necessary tool" for any shopping assistant, but it has "fought with Google search" for years to keep its traffic and is "not going to give it away right away." - On **20VC** (*"The Ads Business Model Will Die,"* Sept 26), host Harry Stebbings put it most starkly: "Amazon, their advertising business is bigger than their e-com business now. Of course they're shutting it off. Because if agents are the primary customer, your ads business goes to next to nothing." (That size comparison is his claim and wasn't checked on the show.) His guest, Parag Agrawal, the former Twitter CEO who now runs the startup Parallel, agreed: "Ads don't work with agents in their current form." Parallel is building what he called "an ad sense for agents": paying websites a variable fee each time an agent reads their content, so publishers don't simply block agents. 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Ads in chatbots: ChatGPT passes $1 billion, and a warning for Google - **ChatGPT ads are now a real business.** On **The AI Files** (#118, Sept 26), the hosts said OpenAI's ads have reached a run rate of "over a billion dollars currently right now in less than 200 days." (A run rate is the current pace, annualized.) Details from the episode: - Ads show only on the Free and Go plans. Plus, Pro and Enterprise stay ad-free. - Ads are matched to what you're asking about. Their example: planning a Las Vegas trip and getting ads for excursions. - OpenAI says it won't sell user data or use it to train its models. - "When they released it, actually there was a dip in Google's stock because, you know, those ads are coming out from somewhere." The hosts also noted that Anthropic has taken the opposite approach and isn't running ads. - On *Talkin' Bout [Infosec] News* (Sept 22), another panel put it more bluntly: OpenAI is "rolling out ads, like in-platform ads… this has always been the endgame." - **AppLovin's CEO: chatbot ads mostly fight Google for the same sales.** On **All-In** (Sept 20), Adam Foroughi divided advertising in two. The first is "bottom-of-funnel" ads for people who already know what they want, which is Google Search's business. "So that ads model is almost going to exclusively compete with the Google Search business." Because "the transaction via search or LLM was going to happen anyways… there's not actually a whole lot of economic expansion that happens from that." The second is "discovery" ads, which show people things they didn't know they wanted. That is what AppLovin and Meta sell, and in his view it creates new spending. Jason Calacanis framed the question: "95% of the world are not going to pay 20 bucks a month for this technology." - **The case for Google.** On **The Intrinsic Value Podcast** (*"TIVP098: Alphabet (GOOGL): The Megacap That Still Might Be Underrated,"* Sept 20), Kyle Grieve and Shawn O'Malley argued that the idea that AI would kill search has turned into "really the opposite." Their points: - Google's "Search and Other" revenue has grown at a 14% compound annual rate over two years. - Google places ads "above or below the AI overview, as well as just inside of the AI overview." - Sundar Pichai said on the latest earnings call that Google sends "billions of clicks to websites each week" from its AI features. - Google still shows ads on less than 25% of searches, according to its search VP, which leaves room to add more. - Not all searches are equal. A restaurant paying to top "restaurants near me" is "very valuable digital real estate," while "abstract conversations with LLMs are really not particularly appealing to advertisers." - On YouTube, they said creators get about 55% of ad revenue. They put YouTube's value at roughly $300 billion or "maybe as much as $500 billion" by comparing it to Netflix, which trades at about seven times sales. [The AI Files](http://url7324.matterfact.com/ls/click?upn=u001.idHmPrr2Geh7KYLAsTy7NkrIVb-2FgA4pmf2rMXQwGcOhBby-2F7Jzl5V1xnTwPMEqR1a1EUeJ23bIgWcpZ2CN3dLlt-2BEUn5JzrxHag5lP9qAiQ3-2F-2BVD28PIlViT7qRipoICxQLaqJw3gyJ2sZFBUgrnxg-3D-3D8ADe_7mLGwmUci-2BLaXswv9WX1yTgqn3Wad-2FotHhzHgSNAZbUvu9YAOnYfpCk05bLLW64SAKeqy2ET-2B9xri2Tt2uMXR4bsJjsfef2z9dE4dSEQEIxsT-2BoHphMHM9UYpe6vdkSzPR-2BOfndr6SQndqb-2Bao-2Bcj-2FJIISshXl5xEockIQxDkgLep2yLubXdPIRY68fq8zjD6FSIWNi5KY7pnc4m8xGwxA-3D-3D) · [Talkin' Bout [Infosec] News](http://url7324.matterfact.com/ls/click?upn=u001.idHmPrr2Geh7KYLAsTy7NkrIVb-2FgA4pmf2rMXQwGcOjoEF9j54rcJJqeArYWyGfLubByzlIrzFScT-2FbSpyrgydsGLmfHP8Hf1Vjg1ZJZbqsSGbc7scObp24WnbUX2wxxq0lRggPplSeUSuesY4hvZw-3D-3DT7CK_7mLGwmUci-2BLaXswv9WX1yTgqn3Wad-2FotHhzHgSNAZbUvu9YAOnYfpCk05bLLW64SAKeqy2ET-2B9xri2Tt2uMXR6i0JnR1eSZ5iwLGWk3uhEk7iryMJEd84RB1R45An3pdYeCTbPoDf9IdftVfVI7Q3gWFsB6GuQPLyR-2F6l7-2BQVuCcAqmptCJ0RYF7guBpR3k4NlUd02RkAu9FY9FeoFdL1A-3D-3D) · [All-In, Adam Foroughi](http://url7324.matterfact.com/ls/click?upn=u001.idHmPrr2Geh7KYLAsTy7NkrIVb-2FgA4pmf2rMXQwGcOjABB9ieG83WfIroCZsjWKL1qQNRXmCVk82s1am4QeNV91wpgbvMM3HnwU-2FPvThQsM7-2FNy-2FLmQqjwXKIO3KcrKQ-2FiQpu4fLi4zCg-2BdKyIKkqw-3D-3DuZS0_7mLGwmUci-2BLaXswv9WX1yTgqn3Wad-2FotHhzHgSNAZbUvu9YAOnYfpCk05bLLW64SAKeqy2ET-2B9xri2Tt2uMXR8IMjBpqGOtFcY2g62V7erh4DH66-2Fdwuv2UO4GnzufGU1H6OB6k5nZEWQJAobFbQABhbX-2FJyDEsP7mer9v1yiV87XBSE5LH7Q67M-2FZQjFf1r56JkulImxst-2FPnpdDPPntA-3D-3D) · [The Intrinsic Value Podcast, TIVP098](http://url7324.matterfact.com/ls/click?upn=u001.idHmPrr2Geh7KYLAsTy7NkrIVb-2FgA4pmf2rMXQwGcOhGzQMOGWKChMf06tttRUYIifdgT30iJfWyycofsi9CTkyqIotj0KEWQPPjBCKm26V1nc-2FGUZhQGJzQOYn-2F5LC1f-2B8ZRkzeh9ugdTKFQDpSow-3D-3DXae2_7mLGwmUci-2BLaXswv9WX1yTgqn3Wad-2FotHhzHgSNAZbUvu9YAOnYfpCk05bLLW64SAKeqy2ET-2B9xri2Tt2uMXR5vaTLSvPV8sJVZE6-2FsShECD3i6k45k0gW3iY6nLu8-2FLMXo8vxCtLlvE7lgbiGf4wytnF-2B9JtAVjr8JYclzdXmejbVpI-2F8R9aBG8Mwo3NOpErtiEzwykcb8iVkbtqHzr1g-3D-3D) ### 6. AppLovin: the numbers behind the 84% margin Foroughi's All-In interview was the week's only long conversation with the CEO of a company on our list. What he said: - **Market size.** AppLovin disclosed "$11 billion a year of ad spend" on its platform in January of last year. "Since then we've grown 60% year over year roughly… you get $20 billion." Counting other ad networks, he estimates "about $50 billion of advertising being spent every single year in this mobile gaming ecosystem. It was not very long ago that social was a $50 billion opportunity." - **Margins.** "Our EBITDA margins I think are number one in the market is 84%." Chamath Palihapitiya asked whether AppLovin is "over-earning," meaning competitors could undercut it by accepting 50–60% margins. Foroughi's answer: "these technologies are really complex and if you can innovate and you have differentiated data, you can build an advantage." In his view, scale plus data makes a moat. - **Shopping ads beyond games.** The growth story is using the same deep-learning models to take a gamer "and give them a shopper behavior experience." Calacanis's intro claimed AppLovin is "quietly outperforming Facebook ads for e-commerce brands." That was the host's description, not company data. - **Privacy.** After Apple's privacy changes, "we'll get a lot of complaints… from users that say, serve me more relevant ads." Now that "the rules were written," he says, the industry has adjusted. He denied that ad companies use microphones or precise location. - **Agents.** He doesn't think typical shoppers will hand shopping over to agents: "we really over-index on the Twitterverse and forget that the average shopper is not that." He did allow for routine purchases, "my supplement subscription." - **History.** The stock fell 92% after the 2021 IPO, to about a $3.8 billion market cap. AppLovin bought back "roughly $6 billion" of stock, retiring 20–25% of its shares, and later peaked at about $250 billion. [All-In, Adam Foroughi](http://url7324.matterfact.com/ls/click?upn=u001.idHmPrr2Geh7KYLAsTy7NkrIVb-2FgA4pmf2rMXQwGcOjABB9ieG83WfIroCZsjWKL1qQNRXmCVk82s1am4QeNV91wpgbvMM3HnwU-2FPvThQsM7-2FNy-2FLmQqjwXKIO3KcrKQ-2FiQpu4fLi4zCg-2BdKyIKkqw-3D-3DVsPf_7mLGwmUci-2BLaXswv9WX1yTgqn3Wad-2FotHhzHgSNAZbUvu9YAOnYfpCk05bLLW64SAKeqy2ET-2B9xri2Tt2uMXR9MUWFJ3IeEVO14puJ5Qg8eLq-2Fgd2NhFCvjvAeV0KdiTApjiqoeT1bW8ZwJTK-2FWseX2dce50I0sc9NllomxhgUFyL6YdQ7MI0itDuN60-2BTKsxhW5PMhiKZZoIZmLGlVHVA-3D-3D) ### 7. Retail media: rivals are teaming up **Best Buy × Amazon Fire TV, and Instacart × GoPuff.** On **Retail Media Breakfast Club** (*"Are RMNs Finally Getting The Hang of This Collaboration Thing?"*, Sept 23), host Kiri Masters covered two partnership deals. (RMN stands for retail media network: a retailer's own ad business.) - **Best Buy and Amazon.** Best Buy will begin selling ad space inside the Fire TV interface on all its Insignia TVs, both new sets and those already in homes. That space includes autoplay banners, screensavers and sponsored rows, and until now only Amazon could sell it. Best Buy will run the campaigns on Amazon's programmatic tools (automated ad-buying software) starting next year. It can also add its own data, such as households five years into a laptop replacement cycle or those that "brought a device into Geek Squad last month," and report sales at Best Buy, including in-store. Amazon gets its software locked onto Best Buy's TV brand for another multi-year term, plus "a second sales force." Masters flagged the catch: "both Best Buy ads and Amazon ads can now both sell against the same household on the same screen," and neither will remove the duplicates. - **Instacart and GoPuff.** GoPuff joins the Instacart marketplace with deliveries in as little as 15 minutes. It is also moving its ad business onto **Carrot Ads**, the ad technology Instacart licenses to other retailers under their own names. That's GoPuff's third ad setup in five years: it started on CitrusAd in 2021 and built its own in 2024. The deal gives GoPuff access to "9,000 advertisers that currently buy ads through Instacart." Masters's point: "The ceiling on an ads business without self-serve is how many brands a sales team can personally reach." Instacart signing up a direct delivery competitor also answers the "frenemy" worry that has hung over Carrot Ads. Her summary: "The tantrums, if they come, will come at renewal." **Kroger's retail media is up 24%.** On **Remarkable Retail** (Sept 22), Steve Dennis said Kroger's overall sales were "basically flat," it cut guidance, and grocery-store sales as a category were up only 1%. The one bright spot was retail media: "They were up 24%. That's… more profitable than selling products." **AI is taking over the day-to-day work of running retail media.** On **The CPG Guys** (Sept 23), Sarp Tuncay, who previously worked on retail media strategy at Amazon and Walmart, said AI is "already embedded" in bidding, pacing, targeting and reporting. He named Amazon as furthest along, with Walmart Connect, Instacart, Kroger Precision Marketing and Roundel (Target's ad business) "all moving toward like greater automation." His warning to brands is about what he calls "the illusion of control": the dashboard looks fine while "nobody may be asking whether that objective is still the right one." His summary: "AI optimizes locally while humans optimize globally." Each platform maximizes return inside its own store. Only the brand can ask whether it's "creating incremental growth or mainly capturing existing demand" across all its retailers. [Retail Media Breakfast Club](http://url7324.matterfact.com/ls/click?upn=u001.idHmPrr2Geh7KYLAsTy7NkrIVb-2FgA4pmf2rMXQwGcOiK0awbVVW1qtXqTOsLkEC1HcBHk4gXW7blaN7ZV3gMgl1msFggMJt7Ig1PSnuUyTGoIJRkM40Y-2FrskKJUhf-2F-2B3HuT-2FbH5TQvOrhQg6-2BK7fWg-3D-3D0hj9_7mLGwmUci-2BLaXswv9WX1yTgqn3Wad-2FotHhzHgSNAZbUvu9YAOnYfpCk05bLLW64SAKeqy2ET-2B9xri2Tt2uMXR1u2hLRV5kND-2Be-2BNzfBVUONTxcLCeLo7PuaDMqxC8e7IT-2Bna-2BRLCbZ63A4L-2F1bU-2BH9jNpDWmbR-2FZ659-2FooOHuXWh4taraHOnKCvafWVvDMpobSbm8lbwlP5Ig2ZY7OUITg-3D-3D) · [Remarkable Retail](http://url7324.matterfact.com/ls/click?upn=u001.idHmPrr2Geh7KYLAsTy7NkrIVb-2FgA4pmf2rMXQwGcOhSqD6bcMBIJyseSvrebK5GpRJuaFaezGHgv0-2BKiOAt4urvPJKyjiWTTr2nZ7JWUFbnZQAGMJvaXM0c2GNslDBC-2BAjwH4NlsCbGQtoUJH-2FJcw-3D-3DRA-4_7mLGwmUci-2BLaXswv9WX1yTgqn3Wad-2FotHhzHgSNAZbUvu9YAOnYfpCk05bLLW64SAKeqy2ET-2B9xri2Tt2uMXR7zagOVLJ2lWBcgbNDmSgv-2BmPH8gclXtOITmWAD-2FzHAtoCINVN3lquEKKBcq7CESPhxXeiZxXmuy-2B17tGT9mSdnYF5v00ZmYpp0OhrQUHmCU-2BfOrfvAmtMAib-2FzoM1Zj0g-3D-3D) · [The CPG Guys](http://url7324.matterfact.com/ls/click?upn=u001.idHmPrr2Geh7KYLAsTy7NkrIVb-2FgA4pmf2rMXQwGcOg1OLDfE-2BOUJUzGLK-2BEn6A5zDpNwIWJBj2AYM-2BJG-2BPlfXyH30FQw9eOEmvV4fH5auhv-2Bk7CxHoHbqgLBy5oToff3ZItzReRkeamIz94Cmt2kw-3D-3DI29y_7mLGwmUci-2BLaXswv9WX1yTgqn3Wad-2FotHhzHgSNAZbUvu9YAOnYfpCk05bLLW64SAKeqy2ET-2B9xri2Tt2uMXRzK8FpCi1hsQFnTi1yB18Mu5oy-2B-2Bo4Y-2FbaYC0WnR6QPOlv5l0UnQS9QDOsQpTtk2gW3wCR9E6igYwSWEBLgqcHcM-2FzLE7QWd8bq5vy4hVZfLl5bzmMyVG4rrE1N1Gl2TtQ-3D-3D) ### 8. Streaming TV and ad tech: fewer sellers, AI agents with real control, a swipe at The Trade Desk - **Buying streaming TV ads after the Paramount–WBD merger.** On AdExchanger's **The Big Story** (*"Buying CTV In The WarnerMount World,"* Sept 24), the team covered the combination of Paramount Plus, Pluto, HBO Max and Discovery Plus. (CTV means connected TV: streaming on a TV set.) The group cited about 200 million combined streaming subscribers against Netflix's 325 million. Their points: - Maybe "80% of the viewing is like the top 10 streaming apps." So "what is the value of the DSP" (demand-side platform, the software ad buyers use to buy across many sellers) "when there's really only a handful of apps?" - They expect more buying directly from publishers as there are fewer companies to negotiate with. - Forrester predicts three top streaming services will move from paid plans to free, ad-supported ones. - **Two deals.** Taboola bought the finance ad network Dianomi, whose publishers include the WSJ, Reuters, CNN Business and the Times of London, where "the CPMs are high." Infillion bought Foursquare. Combined with its February purchase of Catalina (retail purchase data), Infillion is building a system to link ad views to real-world purchases. - **AI agents can now run Meta campaigns.** Mark McEachern of Basis explained MCP (Model Context Protocol), a standard that lets AI agents plug into software. Google, Meta, Amazon and others have all launched MCP servers for their ad platforms. On most platforms, "a human still has to make the change." But "some folks like Meta have enabled agents to create audience, set budget, and launch a campaign all by itself." His summary: "Fewer read-only endpoints, more agents with their hands actually on the wheel." - **"A one-trick pony."** On **Open Market** (Episode 116, Sept 23), Mediaocean CEO Bill Wise went after The Trade Desk. Mediaocean runs about $200 billion of media spend a year. "When you're worth $50 billion and trading at an ungodly multiple… you probably should acquire a couple of companies. And the trade desk didn't… they're stuck in kind of being a one trick pony." Walled gardens (closed platforms like Meta, Google and Amazon that keep their data in-house) "are getting an unfair share of spend." And "if you're sitting… in a business that's just open web and mobile, you're a three to 5% grower. That's where trade desk is." That comes from a competitor, not from company data, and it's the only real Trade Desk discussion we found this week. Wise also said DoubleVerify and IAS are two of Mediaocean's largest integrations even though it now competes with them through its Protected acquisition. - **Measuring streaming TV ads in pharma.** On **Next in Media** (Sept 22), IQVIA Digital's Justin Rosen said household-level targeting on streaming TV is now "table stakes." He cited a 0.8+ correlation between audience-quality scores and actual prescriptions and diagnoses. - **Google's ad tech ruling.** On **This Week in Tech** (Sept 20), the panel called the court's ad tech remedy "a victory for Google": "Google basically got what it proposed… we'll have a monitor." They cited Google's ad tech business at "$30 billion, 8% of Alphabet's revenue," with that revenue declining for four years. [The Big Story](http://url7324.matterfact.com/ls/click?upn=u001.idHmPrr2Geh7KYLAsTy7NkrIVb-2FgA4pmf2rMXQwGcOjeGXUVOyhY96DPuyv9NQZjvzDk5xvAu21d1SdbNJajPaC9wVJbSSXoc6CM-2BndiDzs28T6pa2qglKKGewBjcRQiyQxMqSoWs6c-2BTl1vAAudWg-3D-3DhY3U_7mLGwmUci-2BLaXswv9WX1yTgqn3Wad-2FotHhzHgSNAZbUvu9YAOnYfpCk05bLLW64SAKeqy2ET-2B9xri2Tt2uMXR-2BBsmm1qRApm-2BHFsu3lJwCPnP1Rr-2FHmMfnf6VDVd-2BUY9tMzzj2b3nHuKF0JMwG3-2FDBtuCQjLUk-2F3QP3BSWn6PcfkBl0rf5PNH7VUhG0cynTHbdeOVaVMotHROsU348mVfQ-3D-3D) · [Open Market](http://url7324.matterfact.com/ls/click?upn=u001.idHmPrr2Geh7KYLAsTy7NkrIVb-2FgA4pmf2rMXQwGcOiNGoiVy8vmaSxmljj6iBSR93Iv9es-2FSDcI8vGqt2BUbTiHY55kBHUq5EmKHLgyiyA7ARbQq1D3OVPlbFreQtCqOJ9xXodBm56O-2B5at0YbjSQ-3D-3DHGvw_7mLGwmUci-2BLaXswv9WX1yTgqn3Wad-2FotHhzHgSNAZbUvu9YAOnYfpCk05bLLW64SAKeqy2ET-2B9xri2Tt2uMXR97-2BF4wAROXw-2BIwJ1ivzXACFhurff1pXOG1xV35hjBhTFor2XP8SLvO47uXD9jsHZ0YRgm1MnnFrvwd9VwKjhvHoUIvUwDtN7B04LC8DBjy0WWlNtFgWL7BqR5iipzjQBg-3D-3D) · [Next in Media](http://url7324.matterfact.com/ls/click?upn=u001.idHmPrr2Geh7KYLAsTy7NkrIVb-2FgA4pmf2rMXQwGcOjxGDcyNlZo6nLHfweRhDpu0u5Hx9UBBXfFg3f7QVR2EGRWb5DEN-2FJ9EYcsj59Tr4Bgwzkgb7IS4woxoVnGsugUURz4fTqZsUQsJe0B8maUqQ-3D-3Dv9sT_7mLGwmUci-2BLaXswv9WX1yTgqn3Wad-2FotHhzHgSNAZbUvu9YAOnYfpCk05bLLW64SAKeqy2ET-2B9xri2Tt2uMXR3oETLZWtnSIWtCIqkht6XJSgSbpsjLXKQ-2B7HZf8inoqIQ8ZIzTcsGwanUic7T6jvVyKcjak4MYiX2FMxol2K-2FxcxVqwK7TMvPscy8obwzaZFhYYg1mBFslM4qQShxC1DQ-3D-3D) · [This Week in Tech](http://url7324.matterfact.com/ls/click?upn=u001.idHmPrr2Geh7KYLAsTy7NkrIVb-2FgA4pmf2rMXQwGcOh9RoLabVW3TEkGNv-2F1e0Vuwo-2B0IlneQgNSC6YMcigpmAP9tgB7BBkpOuvFef4KHRMHiS3ioSoiLKdVaC4eHDvMLTUNjxsXcKkbFuGDMvqGtA-3D-3DC6CJ_7mLGwmUci-2BLaXswv9WX1yTgqn3Wad-2FotHhzHgSNAZbUvu9YAOnYfpCk05bLLW64SAKeqy2ET-2B9xri2Tt2uMXR6YLuWzBbW3dV9ZbEc5cT7dFmk96fqDugtEGnMkcKMzEKRJb9n7jpZMy0x-2Fh0vCGnSez6kDJTSLvFQSDaU5S-2FcUPS-2FgjC5aDQR-2B5MjB0dPdWmnHB5krl-2BO3gWAJ9CRTxkw-3D-3D) ## The debate **The question: do AI agents shrink the ad market, or only move the money around?** **The bear case: ads stop working when an agent does the shopping.** - 20VC's Harry Stebbings and Parag Agrawal: current ad models "don't work with agents," and an ad banner inside an app an agent uses "becomes worthless." - Dumb Money: Amazon's ad business is "basically kaput" if agent shopping spreads. - ARK's Winton: Amazon is blocking Muse to protect its ad business. - Wells Fargo's Gawrelski: about half of Meta's ads come from e-commerce, and agents challenge the basic idea that advertising works when you can see the sale. **The bull case: most shopping stays human, and discovery ads are safe.** - Foroughi (AppLovin): normal shoppers enjoy the "dopamine hit" of browsing. Agents will take over routine buys like supplement refills, not discovery. - Gawrelski: Muse is a new way to use Meta, likely *adding* to time spent rather than taking from Instagram. Search is more at risk than social media. - The Google bulls on TIVP098: Google has already built ads into AI answers and still shows ads on fewer than a quarter of searches. **Our read.** Both camps largely agree on which businesses are most exposed: ads placed right where people buy (search ads, sponsored listings on retail sites, ad banners in delivery apps), because those sit where an agent would step in. Ads that show you something new (Instagram Reels, ads inside mobile games) are the least exposed. So the real question is timing. How fast does agent shopping spread beyond early adopters? Foroughi says slowly. Stebbings, who says he already buys almost everything through an agent app, thinks it's "unwaveringly clear." Watch for Amazon: if it gives in and starts charging agents a fee, as Winton suggests, that will tell you how much of the ad money it expects to keep. **A smaller debate: is Meta's price growth healthy?** Mahncke says the US-versus-Asia gap shows Meta is squeezing advertisers. Against that, Pilothouse is seeing *lower* costs on creator partnership ads, which suggests Meta's system still gets more efficient where new formats catch on. Both can be true: prices rise across the market overall, while specific formats get cheaper. Meta's Q3 impression and price figures, by region, will settle it. ## Stocks in play | Ticker | This week on the podcasts | Tone | | --- | --- | --- | | **META** | Muse launch (#1 app, 2.5M downloads in 13 days); +11% in one day per Dumb Money; US ad prices +20% vs. impressions +9% in Q2 (TIP848); partnership ads at 30–50% of spend on big accounts; September performance dip for advertisers | Bullish on the story, mixed on ad quality | | **AMZN** | Blocked Muse to protect an ad business the podcasts put at $70B–$80B; Fire TV ad space now also sold by Best Buy; named the most automated retail media network | Debated: seen as a loser if agent shopping spreads, a winner in streaming TV reach | | **GOOGL** | Bull case on TIVP098 (search +14% CAGR, ads inside AI Overviews); ChatGPT ads at a $1B+ run rate with a reported stock dip; ad tech remedy seen as a win | Constructive, with a chatbot overhang | | **APP** | CEO: ~$20B platform ad spend (+~60% YoY), ~$50B mobile gaming ad market, 84% EBITDA margin | Bullish (from the CEO himself) | | **TTD** | Only mention: Mediaocean's CEO calls it a "one trick pony" in a "3 to 5%" growth business | Negative, from a competitor | | **CART** | Carrot Ads adds GoPuff and its 9,000-advertiser base; helps answer the "frenemy" worry | Positive | | **BBY** (read-through) | Starts selling Fire TV ad space with its own purchase and repair data | Positive for its retail media business | | **KR** (read-through) | Retail media +24% while core sales flat and guidance cut | Retail media the only bright spot | | **SHOP** (read-through) | Opened catalog and Shop Pay to Muse; ~15% of e-commerce now reachable by agents | Seen as a winner in agent shopping | ## Read-throughs - **Walmart Connect (WMT).** Named as a Muse commerce partner (Best Stocks Now) and as one of the retail media networks moving toward automation (CPG Guys), but no Walmart-specific ad numbers this week. ARK's Winton thinks Walmart opening to agents would put pressure on Amazon. - **Streaming TV (Roku, Disney, Netflix, WBD/Paramount).** Consolidation means fewer, larger sellers and more direct deals, which could squeeze the middlemen (DSPs and SSPs, the software on the buy side and sell side of ad deals). No Roku- or Netflix-specific ad discussion. The one Disney episode we found (Bloomberg Intelligence on the Disney+ price increase to $21.49) was about subscription pricing, not ads. - **Uber, DoorDash and other in-app ad businesses.** Stebbings's point that an ad banner inside the Uber app "becomes worthless" when an agent places the order applies to every in-app ad business that depends on people browsing. - **Measurement (DV, IAS).** Mentioned only as Mediaocean's integration partners and competitors. Nothing on their own results. - **Reddit (RDDT).** The only Reddit episode (*My Wife Quit Her Job*, Sept 21) covered an 86% drop in Reddit citations in AI search answers after it joined the S&P 500. That's an organic-traffic story, not an ads story, though it's worth watching for how AI answers send traffic to Reddit. **No real coverage this week:** Reddit's ad business, Pinterest, Snap, Criteo, Magnite, PubMatic, LiveRamp. We checked specifically and found only passing mentions or unrelated episodes. ## What changed vs last week We don't have last week's issue on file for a line-by-line comparison, so this issue sets the baseline going forward. What stands out compared with the usual run of podcasts: - **The conversation changed.** Most weeks, podcasts debate CPMs, AI ad tools and whether ad budgets are holding up. This week, nearly every show was talking about Muse and whether AI agents make ads obsolete. Of 53 relevant-looking episodes we reviewed, about a dozen had real ad-business substance. Most Meta episodes were about the product and the stock. - **Amazon's ad business was the week's worry.** It usually comes up as a steady winner. This week it was cast as the business most at risk if shopping moves to agents. - **Chatbot ads became a real revenue line.** ChatGPT's reported $1B+ run rate puts actual dollars on what had mostly been speculation. - **Things to watch next week:** whether Amazon softens its block on Muse; any more retailers joining Muse (Walmart, Target); Advertising Week New York (from Oct 5); and early Q3 previews, where the key figures are Meta's regional impression and price growth. --- ## Get the full transcripts on Matterfact This briefing was produced with Matterfact, which indexes the complete, full-text transcripts of 120M+ podcast episodes alongside SEC filings, earnings calls, and financial datasets. 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