# Anthropic Set to Overtake Google as Broadcom's Biggest Customer - Custom Silicon vs Nvidia - Week of September 28, 2026 > A synthesis of what investor and operator podcasts said about custom AI silicon versus Nvidia GPUs for the week of September 21-27, 2026, built around Morningstar's forecast that Anthropic overtakes Google as Broadcom's biggest customer in 2027 (roughly $60 billion), the margin math of custom chips, the MediaTek TPU second-source question, and Jensen Huang's case that fungible, durable GPUs are cheaper to finance. ## Custom Silicon vs Nvidia ### Week of September 28, 2026: Anthropic Set to Overtake Google as Broadcom's Biggest Customer --- **Last week the custom-chip story was about a new entrant, Qualcomm. This week it swung back to the incumbent, and the headline is who Broadcom's biggest customer is about to be.** On Morningstar's podcast, Broadcom analyst Will Kerwin said the company "expects Anthropic to become its largest customer and eclipse Google" as soon as 2027, which "implies Anthropic being $60 billion in revenue next year from practically zero." Google has been Broadcom's anchor chip customer for ten years. A new top customer, worth tens of billions of dollars, arriving inside a single year is the most important number in custom silicon this week. The same episode also gave us something this letter has been asking about for months: a clean, plain-English explanation of what custom chips do to a chip designer's profit margins. Short version: they shrink one margin and protect another. More on that below, because it's the key to valuing every name in this space. On the other side of the ring, Nvidia's Jensen Huang made his strongest public case yet for why general-purpose GPUs hold their value better than custom chips. A cloud provider told us it has been *underpricing* Nvidia's latest chips by 15%. And CME is about to launch futures contracts on GPU rental prices, a sign that compute is turning into a traded commodity. Meanwhile the AI labs are slashing what they charge customers. That gap, chip rental prices firm, AI service prices falling, is the tension to watch. A quick refresher for new readers. An **ASIC**, or custom chip (the industry also says **XPU**), is a chip a company designs for its own specific job, Google's TPU, Amazon's Trainium, instead of buying a general-purpose Nvidia GPU off the shelf. Companies like **Broadcom, Marvell, MediaTek, and Alchip** are the engineering partners that turn a customer's design into a real chip made at TSMC. This letter tracks whether custom chips are eating into Nvidia's lead, and whether the whole build-out can keep paying for itself. The tags: **[OPERATOR]** = an executive talking about their own business; **[REPORTER]** = a journalist reporting; **[ANALYST/PUNDIT]** = an analyst, investor, or host giving an opinion; "relayed" = a company figure repeated second-hand on a podcast, worth checking against filings. ## TL;DR - **Anthropic is set to become Broadcom's biggest customer in 2027.** Morningstar's Will Kerwin said Broadcom expects Anthropic to pass Google next year, at roughly **$60 billion**, and that CEO Hock Tan re-confirmed guidance of AI revenue doubling to **~$120 billion in fiscal 2027** and again to **~$240 billion in fiscal 2028** ([The Morning Filter](http://url7324.matterfact.com/ls/click?upn=u001.idHmPrr2Geh7KYLAsTy7NkrIVb-2FgA4pmf2rMXQwGcOjXOWC8f-2F3BaIfwOUGDu9nAx9PuZ5MHhUsngaqz0tEwVXUz6u4TiumN1a19O5jHqQBQa0NKqz7gZ6padlBV0DB2cbCrm1bWDsX6N2dr3i5DTg-3D-3D27mS_7mLGwmUci-2BLaXswv9WX1yTgqn3Wad-2FotHhzHgSNAZbUjimFvkvVYBcpK8rvllFuycdQ8BOPHF2-2F4VJe4sGlvsfk3Du4F4q-2Bw1ilAx1-2F3jFCtC3HI6u9bHxrv66Rmhc3ezYAkpIx3UX1hw9y7-2FZ6tnx5r4uPfgcvQxh2-2F6v1hyjwokZGZZO8X5bV9kSzbErjP9GkTOOyCDN-2BO95wtTplkeg-3D-3D)). **[ANALYST, management guidance relayed]** - **The custom-chip margin math, finally explained.** Custom chips carry a *lower* gross margin than Nvidia's GPUs, but customers chip in on development costs, which keeps Broadcom's *operating* margin roughly flat in the mid-60s: "gross margin dilutive, but operating margin neutral to accretive" ([The Morning Filter](http://url7324.matterfact.com/ls/click?upn=u001.idHmPrr2Geh7KYLAsTy7NkrIVb-2FgA4pmf2rMXQwGcOjXOWC8f-2F3BaIfwOUGDu9nAx9PuZ5MHhUsngaqz0tEwVXUz6u4TiumN1a19O5jHqQBQa0NKqz7gZ6padlBV0DB2cbCrm1bWDsX6N2dr3i5DTg-3D-3DFW2E_7mLGwmUci-2BLaXswv9WX1yTgqn3Wad-2FotHhzHgSNAZbUjimFvkvVYBcpK8rvllFuycdQ8BOPHF2-2F4VJe4sGlvsczkVLKX-2BIUQCzuF8-2B5Qif3Ogza-2FKInNi7YnMB9xBICcToMnbgiQGlmaQ09qsaM-2F8RmXyspXHrXuWjRlcsiML9c4SK5mmTgTaL-2Fre0HLD7cXVAf1Nc9JKMhHmSbUf9Vffg-3D-3D)). **[ANALYST]** - **The share forecast: custom chips go from ~10% to 25-30% of AI compute spending over five years**, real share gains, but GPUs "remain the vast majority" (same episode). **[ANALYST]** - **The Google second-source fight has a name, and it's MediaTek.** Morningstar says MediaTek is now the TPU's secondary supplier, and the Ayar Labs team separately said MediaTek is "winning some of those projects" for TPU inference chips, with Alchip working with AWS ([The Circuit](http://url7324.matterfact.com/ls/click?upn=u001.idHmPrr2Geh7KYLAsTy7NkrIVb-2FgA4pmf2rMXQwGcOjZNw2TYqRDYZFYiauJ4dSfz-2BQm530Bsa978aEceMTXJqucPIVVCzFKaCN0aPjSAGtXSUbfzJPUzEeYcMaclLCYl-2B5ezyAxljei9uA0dwIfjw-3D-3DaPlz_7mLGwmUci-2BLaXswv9WX1yTgqn3Wad-2FotHhzHgSNAZbUjimFvkvVYBcpK8rvllFuycdQ8BOPHF2-2F4VJe4sGlvsZu8taBkMg0OgoRbQaYbyp91iDt-2Br6v9NgQRGCmU5A2XbTElNUilryn9JLE2hM26sZhmaOoLZ1Xz3DFkaN3M5qd7JnDoKIdxlU95Mo6paJ-2BRZRJGq4fehMfbdWzQkUonUQ-3D-3D)). **[OPERATOR + ANALYST]** One show named Marvell as the second source instead, see the contradiction flagged below. - **Jensen Huang's counter-punch: GPUs are an "asset class, kind of like an airplane."** "$50 billion to build a one gigawatt... AI factory. And you can rent it for 40 to $50 billion per year" ([Hard Fork / The Ezra Klein Show](http://url7324.matterfact.com/ls/click?upn=u001.idHmPrr2Geh7KYLAsTy7NkrIVb-2FgA4pmf2rMXQwGcOicZyXy4PYtwMSrp4yVesDUmbPbBUFOK85Q-2FVbLRBB1fVS-2FJf6GbanaXa4VeUglnVDKwhniqOn7P7-2BJbS7nCkyclr-2B9FaYzX2fHiPZ0VNkxYw-3D-3DDcQ-_7mLGwmUci-2BLaXswv9WX1yTgqn3Wad-2FotHhzHgSNAZbUjimFvkvVYBcpK8rvllFuycdQ8BOPHF2-2F4VJe4sGlvsdSuzJ-2Bi8J9rTAALYBKKi7QzR35D3ArhzkoJlH-2BGIllEzCt6000vJAFm3jOAVIocWzTsWkqAIW3bfJxYy7beFf-2BHeRn9n047L0QE6pe-2BdPfPdTGA6VsIiojrz09FHkg5CQ-3D-3D)). **[OPERATOR]** - **Chip rental prices are firm even as AI service prices collapse.** Nebius ran an auction on Nvidia B200 chips and found it was pricing "15% less than what people were willing to pay" ([The Information's TITV](http://url7324.matterfact.com/ls/click?upn=u001.idHmPrr2Geh7KYLAsTy7NkrIVb-2FgA4pmf2rMXQwGcOggYf2MXs8wZaMnLX3Si8Ru7aaQWYwj4Mye7UF89ZrJcyX6tvOouMr9B99MO-2FpXfy-2B3A4wKZtPEh2Ov31efQxSp33LetwfrVcMH5MD8PdzoOA-3D-3Dh8gB_7mLGwmUci-2BLaXswv9WX1yTgqn3Wad-2FotHhzHgSNAZbUjimFvkvVYBcpK8rvllFuycdQ8BOPHF2-2F4VJe4sGlvsdB7yFYW4Vr1J-2FEcLM232UlNpGIv-2B8V1gsyaclL52-2FAZB2Aaz6n9Li5tVtsU1mpCLRmRNMgPz2AOQPDhGxbbd9twcgPEwaysMVVDXOnF0LVwoqpMx-2BtfN9L3ALlkIatTVw-3D-3D)) **[OPERATOR]**, while Anthropic's new model is reportedly 40% cheaper to run and OpenAI cut developer prices by half ([Investing Experts](http://url7324.matterfact.com/ls/click?upn=u001.idHmPrr2Geh7KYLAsTy7NkrIVb-2FgA4pmf2rMXQwGcOjcc2TWOOcP9kS57l79QYKv2c1RHvwuPZNoJ66j4JHZ-2Bkn5n3pl4MBsQ6DHG9VFSNWYAccX-2FvlF6-2Br-2Fj-2FwMnYp-2F62DJ-2BviBBdLbWX9RDnPtXA-3D-3DncN0_7mLGwmUci-2BLaXswv9WX1yTgqn3Wad-2FotHhzHgSNAZbUjimFvkvVYBcpK8rvllFuycdQ8BOPHF2-2F4VJe4sGlvsSOTGFvEr-2FN9Wkv5XL-2F19JnqRuzDqdJFxLbQxUvNUBmQO2ksJ0ziwz-2FenW8oTzzM6h0cXdA4gzHwKBLy1ui5EGE5p7fzHfs9yiyHucdNYUrPMlaOmJQvRRbOyQuW-2FFwo0A-3D-3D)). **[ANALYST]** - **GPU rental futures are coming to CME** on H100 and B200 rental price indices ([The Business Brew](http://url7324.matterfact.com/ls/click?upn=u001.idHmPrr2Geh7KYLAsTy7NkrIVb-2FgA4pmf2rMXQwGcOj0aSHvFf4bGTstT4nKNvvzms-2F2Rzk94i-2FNTEqU1EF4NU7B94yRbG7y36uIdtHCnYRloYHJ-2FcX4m7ZEfafGcaB9VnXt0HzjWGIFrZxkoXR-2BAQ-3D-3D1Vku_7mLGwmUci-2BLaXswv9WX1yTgqn3Wad-2FotHhzHgSNAZbUjimFvkvVYBcpK8rvllFuycdQ8BOPHF2-2F4VJe4sGlvsUPNLQBM1T4I3hxT-2BvV9fUpEhNpOFNPxGcjl14hLlI7deP5u24zZAxKB9pMaYeRu8-2BIr2ei8iekCnwSFWwdvBes9kI-2B9ovwuoEmt1RRtbN7o1WmsEJTcIa0ykM2rkOZZBQ-3D-3D)). **[OPERATOR]** - **Optics is the next chip slot to fight over.** Ayar Labs' CEO puts optical links inside AI racks at a market "approaching $100 billion," arriving on Nvidia-class GPUs in 2028-29 and in custom chips in 2029-31 ([The Circuit](http://url7324.matterfact.com/ls/click?upn=u001.idHmPrr2Geh7KYLAsTy7NkrIVb-2FgA4pmf2rMXQwGcOjZNw2TYqRDYZFYiauJ4dSfz-2BQm530Bsa978aEceMTXJqucPIVVCzFKaCN0aPjSAGtXSUbfzJPUzEeYcMaclLCYl-2B5ezyAxljei9uA0dwIfjw-3D-3DWyBw_7mLGwmUci-2BLaXswv9WX1yTgqn3Wad-2FotHhzHgSNAZbUjimFvkvVYBcpK8rvllFuycdQ8BOPHF2-2F4VJe4sGlvsfzqT-2FxtRnSE4TDvkrch-2FiDCU5GaUJtMlMAT6tGtup7kjOVVQjmiPAQNWsaEbgFQG-2Ft1YbD5tlijg0uvjpJTMhPRZYrW8ok9L-2F4lgm4p1iBAs0W2T99j7ff7QYceDsqgwQ-3D-3D)). **[OPERATOR]** - **China fielded a new challenger.** Alibaba unveiled an AI training chip it says is three times better than the one it launched three or four months ago, alongside more than $53 billion committed to AI ([Bloomberg Tech](http://url7324.matterfact.com/ls/click?upn=u001.idHmPrr2Geh7KYLAsTy7NkrIVb-2FgA4pmf2rMXQwGcOgmyl4xQ5ZGLuJC7jqhyVTz0c6fu9Da20Khgni0FPIf5xLFAqySg3EaZVF2qZW-2FFcNwS7xjul05cjwr4EoI-2Buwqewstknj5dm4CD534knXGbQ-3D-3DEOCt_7mLGwmUci-2BLaXswv9WX1yTgqn3Wad-2FotHhzHgSNAZbUjimFvkvVYBcpK8rvllFuycdQ8BOPHF2-2F4VJe4sGlvsdvUBntS1T0no6pdMX1rycI-2B3R44tJHX-2FFy0Lac1cn9YTIT5cr7LPBdSyqYyJUGCFQNEQKXMvZVV2hhYOdEpvmTQNHPNwxpQtCs0ZYa50WEGQXb3n2WNpFW9pYyiaocJHg-3D-3D)). **[REPORTER]** - **Still quiet:** nothing substantive on Microsoft's Maia, Meta's MTIA, Amazon's Trainium 3 / Project Rainier, Arm, Astera Labs, UALink networking, or TSMC's packaging capacity. No follow-up on last week's Qualcomm-AWS deal either. ## What's new Ranked by how much each item moves numbers for a portfolio: customer and design-win news first, then margin and pricing data, then opinion. ### 1. Broadcom's customer list is about to flip, Anthropic overtakes Google. [ANALYST, management guidance relayed] The richest custom-silicon episode of the week was a Morningstar bonus episode of **The Morning Filter**, where strategist **Dave Sekera** interviewed **Will Kerwin, Morningstar's senior equity analyst covering Broadcom** ([The Morning Filter](http://url7324.matterfact.com/ls/click?upn=u001.idHmPrr2Geh7KYLAsTy7NkrIVb-2FgA4pmf2rMXQwGcOjXOWC8f-2F3BaIfwOUGDu9nAx9PuZ5MHhUsngaqz0tEwVXUz6u4TiumN1a19O5jHqQBQa0NKqz7gZ6padlBV0DB2cbCrm1bWDsX6N2dr3i5DTg-3D-3DB-ld_7mLGwmUci-2BLaXswv9WX1yTgqn3Wad-2FotHhzHgSNAZbUjimFvkvVYBcpK8rvllFuycdQ8BOPHF2-2F4VJe4sGlvsWo9lkAwsY93cQI3Dq3nKuhl0ni7yVyjGUk3SJ6X41Z-2Fh8kr-2F6Lyjcn90404zs1JDdSQNmn9QL4OWf2l8ieOJcP8jgi8kPEIApY0vuNqYo4h9RLRDbvQ-2BDMjb1jxkhroVw-3D-3D)). Note that it was recorded on September 17 and published on September 24. The headline is customer concentration moving from one giant to several: - **Google has been nearly everything, until now.** "Google is Broadcom's anchor customer for its XPU business. And the TPU was actually the first ever XPU. And they've been working with Google on this for 10 years." Google has been "the vast majority of Broadcom's XPU revenues up till this point." - **Anthropic takes the top spot.** "As soon as 2027, Broadcom expects Anthropic to become its largest customer and eclipse Google, which implies Anthropic being $60 billion in revenue next year from practically zero." Kerwin adds that OpenAI and Anthropic were "effectively 0% of sales" as recently as last quarter. OpenAI is "a little bit more of a 2028 story" but should come "pretty rapidly" close to Anthropic. - **What to watch.** "Once you start seeing a $10 billion step up every quarter as Anthropic builds in... those are going to be hard to ignore, but they're not being printed yet." - **Guidance held after the "slow down" letter.** When Anthropic and OpenAI publicly backed slowing the pace of AI development, Kerwin says "Hock Tan, the CEO of Broadcom, affirmed Broadcom's guidance through 2028 in response to this letter", doubling AI revenue to "about $120 billion" in fiscal 2027, then "$240 billion" in fiscal 2028. Kerwin's valuation is **$650 per share**, about 25 times Morningstar's fiscal 2028 earnings estimate, with earnings compounding "pretty close to 50%" a year for five years. He also names the risk plainly: Anthropic "coming on, but maybe that keeps kind of pushing out to the right. And maybe we don't get 60 billion next year. Maybe that is only 30 billion." **Why it matters.** Last week we noted Anthropic makes up roughly 40% of Google Cloud's backlog. Now it looks set to be Broadcom's biggest chip customer too. Anthropic is quickly becoming the single company the whole custom-silicon trade depends on. That's great if its revenue keeps compounding, and a serious concentration risk if it doesn't. A second Broadcom episode filled in the recent numbers. On **The 7investing Podcast**, founder **Simon Erickson** called Broadcom his firm's top "Best Buy" for the third month running ([The 7investing Podcast](http://url7324.matterfact.com/ls/click?upn=u001.idHmPrr2Geh7KYLAsTy7NkrIVb-2FgA4pmf2rMXQwGcOiT30blD3z-2BNLXaMWKrH9WSfJnec8rnaylZcdEe8xXs26s-2BjZO-2FTkZQDCYM19j-2Fwi-2FB7syVGPKppRG5AyPr7nTk1t9M1feDWiN1ZHGRi15hig-3D-3D_mdL_7mLGwmUci-2BLaXswv9WX1yTgqn3Wad-2FotHhzHgSNAZbUjimFvkvVYBcpK8rvllFuycdQ8BOPHF2-2F4VJe4sGlvsd2KgbMoSDjSViiIyfPDY-2BcVbtHuhnbZg-2BttkdTavHrdD9ooYGp0K7D6BwGUaVIKqnpEFMBeXvDhTNq7JFJ4bx54Cf2WqhoNHA5qCIKA2FhmMNAALc0bR6fcmzTXwXRxnw-3D-3D)). **[ANALYST/PUNDIT]** His figures: fiscal Q3 revenue of **$29.6 billion, up 86%** year over year, with **$13.7 billion of free cash flow** (46% of revenue), and a Q4 guide of **$34.8 billion, which would be 93% growth**. His valuation point: the stock trades at "21, 22 times its forward free cash flow" while growing revenue "at least 60% plus for the year 2027." He also noted Broadcom's AI revenue target moved from "$100 billion by the year 2030" a year ago to "$120 billion in 2027, three years ahead of schedule." ### 2. What custom chips do to margins, the cleanest explanation yet. [ANALYST] Every quarter someone asks whether the shift to custom chips hurts Broadcom's profitability. Kerwin gave the best plain-English answer I've heard ([The Morning Filter](http://url7324.matterfact.com/ls/click?upn=u001.idHmPrr2Geh7KYLAsTy7NkrIVb-2FgA4pmf2rMXQwGcOjXOWC8f-2F3BaIfwOUGDu9nAx9PuZ5MHhUsngaqz0tEwVXUz6u4TiumN1a19O5jHqQBQa0NKqz7gZ6padlBV0DB2cbCrm1bWDsX6N2dr3i5DTg-3D-3D6ti7_7mLGwmUci-2BLaXswv9WX1yTgqn3Wad-2FotHhzHgSNAZbUjimFvkvVYBcpK8rvllFuycdQ8BOPHF2-2F4VJe4sGlvsTzTtNA6g-2BAzBIX18nsjdjZE08jPCTK1FrZCtGQQWD-2FnOyW6og-2FIyoJIDrQmh-2BgkAioOzUK-2FtAMqCauiv4f5CSdFlEJ-2FZj5sVH6DoDFTLe57uVghB-2F1neKTJhzj0ive6-2Fg-3D-3D)). Two definitions first. **Gross margin** is what's left of each sales dollar after paying to make the product. **Operating margin** is what's left after also paying for research, sales, and overhead. - **Custom chips are cheaper for the customer, by design.** Broadcom "takes a lower gross margin on it than an NVIDIA takes on their GPUs." That's part of how Google or Anthropic gets "a lower marginal cost per chip." - **But the customer pays up front.** Custom chips need "billions of dollars of co-investment from the likes of the customer." Broadcom records that money as a reduction in its own operating expenses (a "contra-operating expense"). - **The result:** "these XPUs are actually gross margin dilutive, but operating margin neutral to accretive." Morningstar models gross margin *falling* as custom chips grow, while operating margin, already "mid-60% range on a non-GAAP level", holds "roughly flat, actually expanding a little bit." **Why it matters.** This settles an old argument. If you screen on gross margin alone, Broadcom will look like it's getting worse as it wins more custom business. It isn't, the customer is covering the engineering bill. The flip side: "not a ton of operating leverage, even on this massive growth." Growth drops through to profit at about the same rate as revenue, but not faster. The share forecast from the same conversation: in 2025, custom chips were "about a 10% split of total AI compute spending... with 90% GPUs, mostly from NVIDIA. We forecast that to rise up to about 25% or maybe even 30% in the next five years." Kerwin's logic is that the biggest customers will run "a couple different XPUs for multiple different use cases." He's clear this isn't a knockout: "we still expect GPUs to be the vast majority of the market." Within custom chips, though, Broadcom's share goes *down* from "near 100%... two or three years ago" as customers add second suppliers. The pie grows faster than Broadcom's slice shrinks. ### 3. The Google second-source fight: MediaTek, with Alchip at AWS. [OPERATOR + ANALYST] The main bear argument on Broadcom this summer was that Google would move TPU volume to a second supplier. Two podcasts this week name that supplier as **MediaTek**: - Kerwin: MediaTek is "the one in focus for Broadcom investors because they are the secondary source now in Google for the TPU." He addressed the rumor head-on, reports two months ago said MediaTek had won the high-volume TPU line and Broadcom would drop "to a minority share." His verdict: "That has not happened. And Broadcom affirmed with Google's approval that they're in the high volume, high complexity chip on their last earnings call. So we think that's been debunked." He puts **Marvell** as the other real competitor, with "designs with Microsoft and with Amazon Web Services" ([The Morning Filter](http://url7324.matterfact.com/ls/click?upn=u001.idHmPrr2Geh7KYLAsTy7NkrIVb-2FgA4pmf2rMXQwGcOjXOWC8f-2F3BaIfwOUGDu9nAx9PuZ5MHhUsngaqz0tEwVXUz6u4TiumN1a19O5jHqQBQa0NKqz7gZ6padlBV0DB2cbCrm1bWDsX6N2dr3i5DTg-3D-3DqTnx_7mLGwmUci-2BLaXswv9WX1yTgqn3Wad-2FotHhzHgSNAZbUjimFvkvVYBcpK8rvllFuycdQ8BOPHF2-2F4VJe4sGlvsbCvtc6paaqh2VlWPZ-2B-2BcIa4gYmb20YRNP2Zg4OfBn3VffAipsTCeyRdVOTDOT8eOOeyzBhVej53A2Le7aAqu7twahdMAdfdF0MHKXtp-2Frfn5UPiW32zx7JVlvPlQ9FwFg-3D-3D)). **[ANALYST]** - On **The Circuit**, a member of the **Ayar Labs** leadership team, speaking alongside CEO **Mark Wade**, described the company's strategic backers as including "MediaTek and Alchip," and added: "MediaTek, you know, winning some of those projects out in the TSMC process and flow for the TPUs on the inference side, inference chip side, and then Alchip, obviously, with AWS" ([The Circuit](http://url7324.matterfact.com/ls/click?upn=u001.idHmPrr2Geh7KYLAsTy7NkrIVb-2FgA4pmf2rMXQwGcOjZNw2TYqRDYZFYiauJ4dSfz-2BQm530Bsa978aEceMTXJqucPIVVCzFKaCN0aPjSAGtXSUbfzJPUzEeYcMaclLCYl-2B5ezyAxljei9uA0dwIfjw-3D-3DBqWW_7mLGwmUci-2BLaXswv9WX1yTgqn3Wad-2FotHhzHgSNAZbUjimFvkvVYBcpK8rvllFuycdQ8BOPHF2-2F4VJe4sGlvsX3-2Byb7vye3xfFfSudAu6VtjqIjBgY5gmSpKEJipg7-2FeY4lxfgolP4WTSSEBaXe-2Fxv8ImukPxxghxcPH7rNeIzXPL7MbG6IGI7ktTSuIAZct-2BTXeMWp1685XlF-2Fh30LXdA-3D-3D)). **[OPERATOR]** This is a supplier describing its own customers' channels, about as close to insider confirmation as the podcasts got this week. **A contradiction to flag.** On 7investing, Simon Erickson said "Alphabet has now signed Marvell to be a secondary supplier" for the TPU ([The 7investing Podcast](http://url7324.matterfact.com/ls/click?upn=u001.idHmPrr2Geh7KYLAsTy7NkrIVb-2FgA4pmf2rMXQwGcOiT30blD3z-2BNLXaMWKrH9WSfJnec8rnaylZcdEe8xXs26s-2BjZO-2FTkZQDCYM19j-2Fwi-2FB7syVGPKppRG5AyPr7nTk1t9M1feDWiN1ZHGRi15hig-3D-3Dw5ff_7mLGwmUci-2BLaXswv9WX1yTgqn3Wad-2FotHhzHgSNAZbUjimFvkvVYBcpK8rvllFuycdQ8BOPHF2-2F4VJe4sGlvsX9j7-2BiDoWHzJizqj6XB-2FZmnWus1Sgtexf-2B-2FVTcLEXAV2B-2FB8a1SPNqRqL6Y4JJv-2FJ1Zr7pPNYjfOpdfm4MsnJFD6GxCT7R7wzLXWuUdjnrHvbk0pj2Ec7eRgYxVuv9myQ-3D-3D)). That fits last week's Marvell-Google warrant story, but it doesn't match the two sources above, which both point to MediaTek for the TPU itself. My read: MediaTek is the TPU second source; Marvell's Google work is a separate program. Both can be true, but don't let anyone tell you Marvell is "the TPU second source" without a filing to back it up. **Why it matters.** Erickson's view on multi-sourcing is sensible: "very smart, very wise of Google to have a secondary supplier." Kerwin puts it in model terms, Broadcom's share of custom chips falls, but the category grows fast enough to lift revenue anyway. The swing factor is which chip line MediaTek actually won. If it's the lower-volume inference part, the bears are wrong on size. If it's more, they're right. ### 4. Jensen's case for the GPU: "fungible," "durable," and financeable. [OPERATOR] In an interview with **Ezra Klein** (published on the **Hard Fork** feed), **Nvidia CEO Jensen Huang** gave the clearest statement yet of the merchant-silicon argument against custom chips ([Hard Fork / The Ezra Klein Show](http://url7324.matterfact.com/ls/click?upn=u001.idHmPrr2Geh7KYLAsTy7NkrIVb-2FgA4pmf2rMXQwGcOicZyXy4PYtwMSrp4yVesDUmbPbBUFOK85Q-2FVbLRBB1fVS-2FJf6GbanaXa4VeUglnVDKwhniqOn7P7-2BJbS7nCkyclr-2B9FaYzX2fHiPZ0VNkxYw-3D-3DIuV0_7mLGwmUci-2BLaXswv9WX1yTgqn3Wad-2FotHhzHgSNAZbUjimFvkvVYBcpK8rvllFuycdQ8BOPHF2-2F4VJe4sGlvsRtpCifLBxa0DguD-2BWV4n1T-2F9NBfgxEg9C-2FUxeWJiGq1zq5uFkz34-2FKwJXmiaiKRy6FgUCpLPOfXE66vkDDqBnaVF3z0hXBuD8ATTBcnPoYHbmIGfTQLlBIOJBQkXX9bCw-3D-3D)). He never mentions TPUs by name, but every point is aimed at them: - **The economics.** "$50 billion to build a one gigawatt data center, one gigawatt AI factory. And you can rent it for 40 to $50 billion per year." Rent close to the build cost every year is his productivity argument. - **Fungibility.** "NVIDIA's architecture is fungible because we're general, we're general purpose, which is the reason why every AI lab, every AI model, closed model runs on NVIDIA." And: "if a customer no longer needs it, another customer would be more than happy to pick it up." A custom chip built for one company's workload has no second buyer. - **Durability.** Because Nvidia keeps updating its software, "the useful life of our compute is much longer." Hence his analogy: NVIDIA compute as "an asset class, kind of like an airplane... it starts out as a passenger plane, you end up... as a cargo plane." - **The payoff.** If GPUs are good collateral, "the cost of capital for... funding NVIDIA AI factories will be the lowest." That's the real point. Cheap financing is a moat that custom chips, which only work for one owner, can't easily match. - **On funding his own customers** (the "circular" charts): "we can't really create demand because in the end... if the AI services have no offtake, then obviously building computers for it is pointless." **Why it matters.** Jensen is shifting the fight from "whose chip is faster" to "whose chip can a lender underwrite." That lines up with three data points this week, below: firm rental prices, new GPU futures, and evidence that old chips stay in use for years. ### 5. Chip rental prices are firm while AI service prices fall. [OPERATOR + ANALYST] This is the most useful data this week, because it speaks directly to last week's worry that demand was cracking. **Compute rental prices are holding up.** On **The Information's TITV**, **Mark Boroditsky, Chief Revenue Officer of Nebius** (a cloud provider that rents out Nvidia GPUs), said: "for every GPU and every cycle of compute, we have many customers, four, five, six customers lined up." Nebius auctioned a cluster of Nvidia B200s "and discovered that we were pricing too low. Actually, 15% less than what people were willing to pay in the auction. And likewise... our pipeline was 20% less than what people were willing to pay." Its lowest-tier compute is now priced dynamically, with the price updating "every 15 minutes" ([The Information's TITV](http://url7324.matterfact.com/ls/click?upn=u001.idHmPrr2Geh7KYLAsTy7NkrIVb-2FgA4pmf2rMXQwGcOggYf2MXs8wZaMnLX3Si8Ru7aaQWYwj4Mye7UF89ZrJcyX6tvOouMr9B99MO-2FpXfy-2B3A4wKZtPEh2Ov31efQxSp33LetwfrVcMH5MD8PdzoOA-3D-3Dhf4j_7mLGwmUci-2BLaXswv9WX1yTgqn3Wad-2FotHhzHgSNAZbUjimFvkvVYBcpK8rvllFuycdQ8BOPHF2-2F4VJe4sGlvsXUA89FsTq2JBl2TpQ5HBZK47TmZKPSvg9ZC99NSTQEg-2BtN79n-2B-2Fzb5pvc0AYi7YA3WS0TxrvwyfYrIjYAiCEsunjGSkrFjECLKB4mt6agxlnUnxC70N7AR-2Bx8RdqaKD1w-3D-3D)). **[OPERATOR]** He also noted the macro risk: "every time interest rates go up 100 basis points, it is going to affect the cost of the offering." (A basis point is one-hundredth of a percentage point.) **GPU rent is becoming a traded market.** On **The Business Brew**, **Steve Hou of Silicon Data**, which publishes GPU rental price indices, said the CME is "launching two futures contracts based on our indices", one on Nvidia H100 rental prices and one on B200 rental prices at neoclouds (smaller GPU-rental clouds). They'll be cash-settled against monthly averages, with the long-term goal of "physical delivery" of compute ([The Business Brew](http://url7324.matterfact.com/ls/click?upn=u001.idHmPrr2Geh7KYLAsTy7NkrIVb-2FgA4pmf2rMXQwGcOj0aSHvFf4bGTstT4nKNvvzms-2F2Rzk94i-2FNTEqU1EF4NU7B94yRbG7y36uIdtHCnYRloYHJ-2FcX4m7ZEfafGcaB9VnXt0HzjWGIFrZxkoXR-2BAQ-3D-3DQ87o_7mLGwmUci-2BLaXswv9WX1yTgqn3Wad-2FotHhzHgSNAZbUjimFvkvVYBcpK8rvllFuycdQ8BOPHF2-2F4VJe4sGlvsXyYpdyOIwrr9qdBlT3i6B75yINevJwhNMmJWNZrfzGhTs59hhoeQ4zYfjQif-2FIWpN0-2FXr-2F4v-2BYdFWUs6N7436Dz1fQrYy11VO4-2BKcvJtuBDakXWicjm7DXwUE-2B-2BURneHw-3D-3D)). **[OPERATOR]** His read on old chips: the residual value "implied by the currently observable... rental income is quite a bit higher" than standard accounting assumes, with the honest caveat that "we haven't gone through a full business cycle." **The chips last a long time.** On **The Most Interesting Thing in AI**, **Azeem Azhar (Exponential View)** told host Nicholas Thompson that an Amazon executive has said they're "seeing chips in use six, six and a half years after we have bought them"; that a Google infrastructure lead said they had "AI chips that were eight or nine years old that were fully in use"; and that CoreWeave had six-year-old chips "100% used, that they had just contracted for another three years" ([The Most Interesting Thing in AI](http://url7324.matterfact.com/ls/click?upn=u001.idHmPrr2Geh7KYLAsTy7NkrIVb-2FgA4pmf2rMXQwGcOgmUfhaFNC-2Bc8tVVrpbnw3o-2BG6Xbn41AmhigIMCxQJp8OyFte7C9WoGeDGFLHuqbo0udC9diHmwWEW0naHB12dnuxe99rt7g2ZbCZmFt7xbVg-3D-3DJ3Ep_7mLGwmUci-2BLaXswv9WX1yTgqn3Wad-2FotHhzHgSNAZbUjimFvkvVYBcpK8rvllFuycdQ8BOPHF2-2F4VJe4sGlvsRXhMfKD4jD6lbCQKeMCgCg6AjzDgBD0LxtnwQiQS5Mig0G9LflrQG274MrHMwdnsMt5314RrWnvp0mvwvjYmIQC9unSPczHaCJaEgPt-2FTTrkbdbs4IXFgbNAe5DzwCnWQ-3D-3D)). **[ANALYST, executive comments relayed]** Thompson's pushback is the right one: "it doesn't matter whether they're in use, it matters whether they're in like high value use." **Meanwhile, AI service prices are falling hard.** On **Investing Experts**, a semiconductor analyst said that since the "slow down" debate began, "Anthropic released cheaper models, Opus 5.5, which is 40% less to run on typical workloads than Opus 5. And OpenAI actually released two cheaper models. And that basically slashed the API developer pricing by 50%. Even Microsoft is announcing tiered volume discounts, 30 to 50%" ([Investing Experts](http://url7324.matterfact.com/ls/click?upn=u001.idHmPrr2Geh7KYLAsTy7NkrIVb-2FgA4pmf2rMXQwGcOjcc2TWOOcP9kS57l79QYKv2c1RHvwuPZNoJ66j4JHZ-2Bkn5n3pl4MBsQ6DHG9VFSNWYAccX-2FvlF6-2Br-2Fj-2FwMnYp-2F62DJ-2BviBBdLbWX9RDnPtXA-3D-3D_YMv_7mLGwmUci-2BLaXswv9WX1yTgqn3Wad-2FotHhzHgSNAZbUjimFvkvVYBcpK8rvllFuycdQ8BOPHF2-2F4VJe4sGlvsdz8C7e0sZkzChRMK9PyPHluS6klhxm86qqh4-2FE5c0efqbdgc38el9-2B9Ed8qnD0fxeWJRQTHcs4ici7RJpih4-2BB0VG8lhyYwcHgeRLGVmQOld2tktNzIOcER7bAOpzWAcQ-3D-3D)). **[ANALYST]** On **RiskReversal**, Gary Marcus summed it up as "three or four orders of magnitude in two or three years" of token price declines, and when a host pointed out "the price for compute is only going to go up," Marcus agreed: "The price of compute is probably going to go up" ([RiskReversal Pod](http://url7324.matterfact.com/ls/click?upn=u001.idHmPrr2Geh7KYLAsTy7NkrIVb-2FgA4pmf2rMXQwGcOh2Hfyv50O3RCtzmOOCp4ETE-2BkcGes3nGdTxLFf7dKEY5LpFD6vnZ-2Fq83uEvva2lIHR0-2BxPf0bYboPf6lmopQWKsidSI8aRbXZYAZ7gWe5eUw-3D-3DRf6Y_7mLGwmUci-2BLaXswv9WX1yTgqn3Wad-2FotHhzHgSNAZbUjimFvkvVYBcpK8rvllFuycdQ8BOPHF2-2F4VJe4sGlvsU9sK4rC1XRCd3bA5V2-2FsOCHEg1-2B06a-2F7HE-2BLWRHO-2Bf4IJGNmxv40EAUwAieK4JLRuiF7TpIroIPwboEqVX-2FaRgqWplhq7BWDfFb-2BMgdEqNeRtzRVCzhZlR7QfdI2KckZw-3D-3D)). **[ANALYST/PUNDIT]** **Why it matters.** Chip owners and chip makers are getting paid more. The AI labs buying the chips are charging less for what they make. That squeeze lands on Anthropic and OpenAI, the same two customers now meant to drive Broadcom's growth. For now, pricing power sits with whoever controls the silicon. The question is how long the labs can keep paying. ### 6. Optics: the next chip slot to fight over. [OPERATOR] **Mark Wade, CEO of Ayar Labs**, on **The Circuit**, made the case for **co-packaged optics**, replacing the copper wires that link chips inside an AI rack with light-based links built right into the chip package ([The Circuit](http://url7324.matterfact.com/ls/click?upn=u001.idHmPrr2Geh7KYLAsTy7NkrIVb-2FgA4pmf2rMXQwGcOjZNw2TYqRDYZFYiauJ4dSfz-2BQm530Bsa978aEceMTXJqucPIVVCzFKaCN0aPjSAGtXSUbfzJPUzEeYcMaclLCYl-2B5ezyAxljei9uA0dwIfjw-3D-3D0rub_7mLGwmUci-2BLaXswv9WX1yTgqn3Wad-2FotHhzHgSNAZbUjimFvkvVYBcpK8rvllFuycdQ8BOPHF2-2F4VJe4sGlvsYaD28IhRwuuxbmv5nZgbqC-2B4aZc9GNqzgupZ-2Bbv1lKKsE5NKNi9ktYRPrTHcDKd0qFbdRJU3rxqeRckrxvXBVQ93KkjsDZM6hg6wAHZcM9XRE0BxJHoG2jwzOJcC-2BeU6Q-3D-3D)). - **Size.** "Optics going into this scale-up opportunity is, you know, tens of billion, probably approaching $100 billion market size." ("Scale-up" means linking chips inside one rack so they act like one big computer, the job Nvidia's NVLink does today.) - **Timing, and who goes first.** "2028, 2029. I think we're going to see a lot of exciting things from the leading-edge GPU guys. And then... 29, 2030, 2031, you're going to see it proliferate to the rest of the accelerator community." Custom-chip buyers need it to be "nearly zero risk... coming through one of their ASIC service partners," which is why Ayar partnered with "MediaTek, with ALCHIP, with GUC." The goal is for optical engines to be treated "like HBM", a standard part you just drop in. - **Who's backing it.** "Multiple rounds of investment from NVIDIA... AMD... Intel," plus TSMC. The company has raised "$650 million" in primary capital so far this year and is building on TSMC's COUPE photonics process. An IPO is being discussed on a "28-29" timeline. **Why it matters.** The timeline is a quiet point in Nvidia's favor: the GPU makers get the next networking upgrade a year or two before custom chips do, because custom-chip buyers wait for the technology to be proven. It's also a real read-through for the design-services firms (MediaTek, Alchip, GUC), they're becoming the route through which new technology reaches hyperscaler chips. ### 7. China adds a challenger: Alibaba's new training chip. [REPORTER] On **Bloomberg Tech**, reporter **Peter Elstrom** covered Alibaba's AI event in Hangzhou, where it unveiled what it calls China's most powerful AI chip. The host noted "it was just three, four months ago they put out their last-generation chip. This one is three times better" ([Bloomberg Tech](http://url7324.matterfact.com/ls/click?upn=u001.idHmPrr2Geh7KYLAsTy7NkrIVb-2FgA4pmf2rMXQwGcOgmyl4xQ5ZGLuJC7jqhyVTz0c6fu9Da20Khgni0FPIf5xLFAqySg3EaZVF2qZW-2FFcNwS7xjul05cjwr4EoI-2Buwqewstknj5dm4CD534knXGbQ-3D-3DuPwP_7mLGwmUci-2BLaXswv9WX1yTgqn3Wad-2FotHhzHgSNAZbUjimFvkvVYBcpK8rvllFuycdQ8BOPHF2-2F4VJe4sGlvsVRo75ig-2B5e0v5OBQN8WWAJFHllywAXQ7HBWRMm8nzcHdS-2Boy8WJ18LC9ZAXEQMJVpYlpN4ZAV7kjgTMAdlN-2BcbUcQRBeT6pCTxvbz0ZwhveW2HGrYk9fvIlU98pBmiaKA-3D-3D)). It's aimed at training frontier models, competing with Huawei and Cambricon at home and with Nvidia more broadly. Alibaba has "more than $53 billion committed to AI" and plans "20 gigawatts of compute." Elstrom's caveat: Chinese firms "would like to have more access to the NVIDIA chips that are really the cutting edge." **Why it matters.** It's the same custom-silicon story as Google's TPU, but walled off by export controls. Every Chinese hyperscaler that builds its own chip is Nvidia demand that isn't coming back, whatever happens with trade policy. On the Ezra Klein interview, Jensen added that Chinese open models "are now being used by 80% of the American startups", a reminder of how close the model race is, even with the chip gap. ### 8. The skeptics: Nvidia is "cheap," the landlords aren't, and 2029 is a deadline. [ANALYST/PUNDIT] The skeptical view kept coming, but it's more specific now. - **Nvidia as the cheap stock in an expensive group.** On **RiskReversal**, with short-seller **Jim Chanos (Kynikos Associates)** and AI critic **Gary Marcus**, one host noted Nvidia is "a $5.5 trillion market cap company. But it is trading exactly where it was six months ago." A guest, the speaker labels suggest Chanos, said: "NVIDIA is a relatively cheap stock... It's going to grow 75%, 100% in the coming year," and asked why companies "wholly dependent upon this relatively, you know, monopoly player" should trade at a premium to it: "They control the chessboard." On CUDA (Nvidia's software platform that most AI developers write code for), Marcus said: "Google has its TPU. But it's as close to a moat as we have in this field. It may diminish over time." The critique: Nvidia is sending "70 cents or something close to that" of every dollar it earns back out as investments in its own ecosystem ([RiskReversal Pod](http://url7324.matterfact.com/ls/click?upn=u001.idHmPrr2Geh7KYLAsTy7NkrIVb-2FgA4pmf2rMXQwGcOh2Hfyv50O3RCtzmOOCp4ETE-2BkcGes3nGdTxLFf7dKEY5LpFD6vnZ-2Fq83uEvva2lIHR0-2BxPf0bYboPf6lmopQWKsidSI8aRbXZYAZ7gWe5eUw-3D-3DMWgv_7mLGwmUci-2BLaXswv9WX1yTgqn3Wad-2FotHhzHgSNAZbUjimFvkvVYBcpK8rvllFuycdQ8BOPHF2-2F4VJe4sGlvsW5fWeKuFqXumwCPCun-2FeVdixZ2j5neZ2nujzEKSX5x6Mme9jZBxIBAVk1SeOAw-2B2sfzlBAjASfyAApEZ6WWhk7BTnX4Y-2BrUf-2BVWUiCkJCXZwluyVy8mPpp0nIe0hEvpcg-3D-3D)). **[ANALYST/PUNDIT]** - **Oracle's financing is fraying.** Same episode: a report that Blue Owl stepped back from another Oracle data center (the hosts called it "the second time"), an "$18 billion loan" involving Goldman, BNP, and SMBC, Oracle "down 60%" from its peak and 7% on the day, and Oracle's credit default swap spread (what it costs to insure against Oracle defaulting) at "new highs... like 225." The speaker's line: at those levels "they're raising money at 8%... It's not prohibitive yet. If it gets into double digits... then it's prohibitive." **[ANALYST/PUNDIT, report relayed and unconfirmed by Oracle]** - **A 2029 maturity wall.** On **Between Two COO's**, **Paul Kedrosky (SK Ventures)** said "anywhere from 30% to 70% of US GDP growth was being driven by a single thing... AI CapEx," that "more than 60% is coming from what's euphemistically called external financing" (money raised from outside, not earned), and that "in about 2029, we'll hit a maturity wall", a pile-up of debt coming due at once, like the 2006-vintage mortgages before the financial crisis ([Between Two COO's](http://url7324.matterfact.com/ls/click?upn=u001.idHmPrr2Geh7KYLAsTy7NkrIVb-2FgA4pmf2rMXQwGcOhYjJDwruxwdiRJEHVjjOHFOKjq33K-2Bav1l6ukU1oit2X-2BgdEPq93v5tvbkdKVGgUblKdRo-2F-2BA0npXCOR8pzA8WP62ZCAfVShDSHp4V1gfnhg-3D-3DVAY-_7mLGwmUci-2BLaXswv9WX1yTgqn3Wad-2FotHhzHgSNAZbUjimFvkvVYBcpK8rvllFuycdQ8BOPHF2-2F4VJe4sGlvsfl1GspCJOU-2Fv5FPOWsiX4rqreLC-2FjWoywnotL83HWoFXv2vqbkVhHdeY8EoI2ASAfjnwueAVXJatPRPifpuVDZKaecW4bqNeq-2FEXZLz6FewOlx-2BSgmmzFh-2FUd7oBz6UDw-3D-3D)). **[ANALYST]** - **Nvidia buying into open-source AI.** On **The Wall Street Skinny**, the hosts discussed Nvidia "buying Hugging Face," the main hub for open-weight AI models, framing it as defense: labs "are starting to build their own chips" for inference, so Nvidia wants to own the platform that "all these random developers" use, keeping them on CUDA ([The Wall Street Skinny](http://url7324.matterfact.com/ls/click?upn=u001.idHmPrr2Geh7KYLAsTy7NkrIVb-2FgA4pmf2rMXQwGcOi0sHhuRbfTQaKBi96hPbp3780VZdzwz5eqlm6CsJWOmTm9PwrepEpnA9dL0C-2FWg4mncR1ZrxhjPGLg3JIqBHGGVQ8ynj-2B6wRB5U-2FujMO-2BkqA-3D-3DnNk0_7mLGwmUci-2BLaXswv9WX1yTgqn3Wad-2FotHhzHgSNAZbUjimFvkvVYBcpK8rvllFuycdQ8BOPHF2-2F4VJe4sGlvsd2M-2BQ4UbCOM8c2oKTssuNeXoO560401LyXsflMmZzWSkZ6oYooG4NqMaisYVrOMPqsi6MHQGR51KhSzA36MTLCHqgsFqxUmtXam3FqLoMFAZjxBZTtXq4FawNmOGGuChg-3D-3D)). **[PUNDIT, deal relayed, confirm before trading on it]**. They also said Nvidia's commitment to OpenAI's $500 billion data center project "has shrunk and shrunk and shrunk." ### 9. Memory: the margin that's peaking first. [ANALYST] The **Investing Experts** Micron preview is the best HBM (high-bandwidth memory, the fast memory stacked next to every AI chip) data point this week ([Investing Experts](http://url7324.matterfact.com/ls/click?upn=u001.idHmPrr2Geh7KYLAsTy7NkrIVb-2FgA4pmf2rMXQwGcOjcc2TWOOcP9kS57l79QYKv2c1RHvwuPZNoJ66j4JHZ-2Bkn5n3pl4MBsQ6DHG9VFSNWYAccX-2FvlF6-2Br-2Fj-2FwMnYp-2F62DJ-2BviBBdLbWX9RDnPtXA-3D-3DoHqW_7mLGwmUci-2BLaXswv9WX1yTgqn3Wad-2FotHhzHgSNAZbUjimFvkvVYBcpK8rvllFuycdQ8BOPHF2-2F4VJe4sGlvsck9tnOOsIn2N-2BYSvS2aJyaH2PrhMyqKjwrAMYAdG8rqph6MscrOEvI1bEf1ouDCF08VIPjuwG3-2Fc8WJOvnZrl6XTq3Jow097Hz7ws6bzFSyPUMIRStJtvYX1E5YK3z5lQ-3D-3D)). **[ANALYST]** - Micron "guided for 86% gross margins after printing 84.6", "higher than NVIDIA's own peak margins, which is crazy to think." - Price increases are slowing: TrendForce sees DRAM prices "only going up 13 to 18 percent in Q3 versus... closer to 50 to 60 percent in Q2." - Chinese supply is ramping: CXMT is expected to end the year near "20,000 wafer starts" of Micron's monthly output. - A contrarian point: "the non-HBM side of the business... has really been carrying gross margins higher." Micron's CEO said non-HBM margins passed HBM margins two quarters ago. - The analyst's warning: "we could go very quickly from a shortage to a glut." Also from that episode: Anthropic and OpenAI together have "north of 1.2 trillion" dollars of commitments "across the semi-space through 2030." ### 10. Also this week, briefly. - **CoreWeave on Vera Rubin.** **Chen Goldberg of CoreWeave** said its newly announced Nvidia Vera Rubin cluster is "optimized for both training and inference" and "the demand for capacity continues to rise" ([The Neuron](http://url7324.matterfact.com/ls/click?upn=u001.idHmPrr2Geh7KYLAsTy7NkrIVb-2FgA4pmf2rMXQwGcOiVXoDH8fdkVyuf5XnWP88Q8GbwtU4oa-2FOqPXzfquhPZG8KQIRrxpuITrVyho-2B5cMo-2F-2F1tvsePz1Q0pIjCuF2wSivZ-2FW6-2FBtTZzjFEvqI55hw-3D-3DrcdW_7mLGwmUci-2BLaXswv9WX1yTgqn3Wad-2FotHhzHgSNAZbUjimFvkvVYBcpK8rvllFuycdQ8BOPHF2-2F4VJe4sGlvscHw8jREM5R4nOG5esdNsLlKIgS4xVnM6vdIy6hNAiHvAnYjQYqV2jg8sWpJyOIGRRL8dvrUb-2BIz3u4vrMYvnKYv5-2BvtUHMhRuD6z8yAToeIRoIHOahsSckyO7IsreLYFg-3D-3D)). **[OPERATOR]** Rubin is shipping into real clusters. - **A very different chip.** On **All-In**, **Naveen Rao** showed first results from his startup's "dynamical computer," using "500 or so nanojoules per image" versus a GPU "on the order of millijoules", about a million times less energy, with a full rack product "within two years" ([All-In](http://url7324.matterfact.com/ls/click?upn=u001.idHmPrr2Geh7KYLAsTy7NkrIVb-2FgA4pmf2rMXQwGcOj9pWtY-2BWi8FSZ2Ov5t7hvUofKzm4TjTd18s5nsaLtqHKNib60-2B-2BwrwGoAA9VVMPoCj-2FfF9Zp8roEC7dPu1e3fDAo1yAI3QNeyEDYzHBQnEjQ-3D-3DDs5a_7mLGwmUci-2BLaXswv9WX1yTgqn3Wad-2FotHhzHgSNAZbUjimFvkvVYBcpK8rvllFuycdQ8BOPHF2-2F4VJe4sGlvsZ9uq3TeGEmbMcUYJS6bEYyHgjhlWWgJFw059sCwRSb-2BV4sYeUMZ0e3DryBfgWzmD2x2osY4VrKvI6R-2BSlCzWK96sSLxZbngzLE6EPoC98L3A8p7zLEDXePKa584M7ZLKw-3D-3D)). **[OPERATOR]** Early days, but worth tracking. - **Meta's spending.** **Chip Stock Investor** put Meta's capex at "$89 billion in the last 12 months," mentioning its custom MTIA chip (built with Broadcom and TSMC) only in passing ([Chip Stock Investor Podcast](http://url7324.matterfact.com/ls/click?upn=u001.idHmPrr2Geh7KYLAsTy7NkrIVb-2FgA4pmf2rMXQwGcOgzaeiwCfGnQJtXMAKdUwg-2BzgHRM-2FgoKzbZPGwOhg-2B3RyhcgOhOKDk985jnA3W6VWJo1uUR2qble6CjLHIv9W0UT3lFOcSeHvC6-2BdUodkaplw-3D-3DsC-k_7mLGwmUci-2BLaXswv9WX1yTgqn3Wad-2FotHhzHgSNAZbUjimFvkvVYBcpK8rvllFuycdQ8BOPHF2-2F4VJe4sGlvschwTqBfLKvhb6yMmH4tElSSJ-2FB7vtBmZ3uMqLFpzWLW2ey9D7dCYoMeZ5gvi-2B3Oj0LLLx3SWVOym-2FMh7Dc-2BGZH4O-2FCF0Mv3FVdRfJitcx3jGPmqEhGwKFGCyPU2N30nBA-3D-3D)). **[PUNDIT]** - **Semis bounced.** On **Real Vision**, the host flagged South Korea's first-20-days trade data showing "a new acceleration" and semis up "a couple of percent," arguing the market "is simply not positioned for this" ([Real Vision](http://url7324.matterfact.com/ls/click?upn=u001.idHmPrr2Geh7KYLAsTy7NkrIVb-2FgA4pmf2rMXQwGcOiUKLLILCnHvX80mGdMTS7g02FSFAc-2B8TdEqIF-2FWiTP-2BhXtrjTsxZVZrzNpwBLnhp1Y6hww9kpsUMr3ZQ-2BVGqY7mJIFOLn1hbnanU3Jz6XUdg-3D-3DnEpu_7mLGwmUci-2BLaXswv9WX1yTgqn3Wad-2FotHhzHgSNAZbUjimFvkvVYBcpK8rvllFuycdQ8BOPHF2-2F4VJe4sGlvserojyRp-2FXV5DVc2Rr90otMJOu5dQXTC7EU4vklS2GalhmHz6UgmUqTm1YZ-2FLodHBPsRbxw2UGlCXjfyBqddEODYfBuKjeAV2dFtVnrMtb858Jw-2Fx1qNO-2FM5sAxbd14jzA-3D-3D)). **[PUNDIT]** ## The debate **The question:** do hyperscaler custom chips take lasting market share and cap Nvidia's market and margins, or do CUDA, full-system engineering, and Nvidia's pace of innovation keep general-purpose GPUs on top? **The case for custom chips.** The best numbers of the week are on this side. Broadcom is guiding to roughly **$120 billion** of AI revenue next fiscal year and **$240 billion** the year after, and the CEO held that guidance even after the biggest labs backed slowing down. Morningstar sees custom chips going from **~10% to 25-30%** of AI compute spending in five years. And the customer list is broadening fast: Anthropic from "practically zero" to Broadcom's biggest customer in a year, OpenAI next, MediaTek and Alchip adding capacity at Google and AWS, Alibaba building its own in China. The margin math also works for the buyer: the whole point of a custom chip is that the designer takes "a lower gross margin... than an NVIDIA takes." Every dollar that moves to a custom chip is a dollar that isn't earning Nvidia-level margins. **The case for Nvidia.** Jensen's argument got real support this week. GPUs are **fungible**, if one buyer leaves, another rents the chip, and the data backs it up: Nebius is underpricing B200s by **15%** with four to six customers waiting for each GPU, CME is launching GPU rental futures, and chips are running productively for six to nine years. That makes GPUs the thing lenders can finance cheaply, a big advantage when, as Kedrosky says, most new AI spending is borrowed money. Even Morningstar, bullish on custom chips, says "predominantly all of their XPU customers will also be buying GPUs," and that smaller companies running AI "will probably use GPUs." Gary Marcus, no fan of AI hype, called CUDA "as close to a moat as we have in this field." And the next networking upgrade (co-packaged optics) reaches GPUs a year or two before custom chips. **The new angle this week** is concentration. Custom chips only make sense for "the largest of large scale customers", Kerwin's words, because they require billions of dollars up front. So the custom-chip share of AI spending rises only if a handful of labs keep growing and keep raising money. Those same labs are cutting their prices 40-50% while their chip costs stay firm. Nvidia's broad customer base, and its willingness to finance it, looks like the more diversified bet. The custom-chip trade is increasingly a bet on Anthropic. **Where I come out this week:** custom chips are winning real share, 25-30% is a believable destination, but the gains depend on two or three labs being able to pay, so I'd own Broadcom for the Anthropic ramp and keep Nvidia as the steadier core, watching the quarterly $10 billion Anthropic step-ups as the proof point that decides which side is right. ## Stocks in play Every ticker with new podcast commentary this week. Most of this is analyst opinion rather than company disclosure, tagged accordingly. **AVGO (Broadcom). [ANALYST, guidance relayed]** - *Bull:* Anthropic becomes the largest customer in 2027 (~$60B); guidance of ~$120B AI revenue in FY27 and ~$240B in FY28 affirmed; Q4 guide $34.8B (+93%); ~46% free cash flow margins; ~21-22x forward free cash flow; Morningstar fair value $650 ([The Morning Filter](http://url7324.matterfact.com/ls/click?upn=u001.idHmPrr2Geh7KYLAsTy7NkrIVb-2FgA4pmf2rMXQwGcOjXOWC8f-2F3BaIfwOUGDu9nAx9PuZ5MHhUsngaqz0tEwVXUz6u4TiumN1a19O5jHqQBQa0NKqz7gZ6padlBV0DB2cbCrm1bWDsX6N2dr3i5DTg-3D-3D4fPx_7mLGwmUci-2BLaXswv9WX1yTgqn3Wad-2FotHhzHgSNAZbUjimFvkvVYBcpK8rvllFuycdQ8BOPHF2-2F4VJe4sGlvsbZm9eMO-2FAnuYs0s8lt-2F4uC-2B5m61R42m6tUz05v-2BB8D41McRG873xr7capK3-2B9f-2B0pyJvjja8VY4R93-2FdWn0246GvKVqalsXlTESurcEsxlNmnSOGVqAYkGy79fkQLud-2BA-3D-3D), [The 7investing Podcast](http://url7324.matterfact.com/ls/click?upn=u001.idHmPrr2Geh7KYLAsTy7NkrIVb-2FgA4pmf2rMXQwGcOiT30blD3z-2BNLXaMWKrH9WSfJnec8rnaylZcdEe8xXs26s-2BjZO-2FTkZQDCYM19j-2Fwi-2FB7syVGPKppRG5AyPr7nTk1t9M1feDWiN1ZHGRi15hig-3D-3DfHt2_7mLGwmUci-2BLaXswv9WX1yTgqn3Wad-2FotHhzHgSNAZbUjimFvkvVYBcpK8rvllFuycdQ8BOPHF2-2F4VJe4sGlvsR9cRN5o7MLpmBi8wmcOMHdy39i-2BLRIMqC9KCCRISYC2l3zPqrlPrgv9-2BkbDIMMthqT-2FfRXhrqGTUVJe-2FtCQHu7I59lkm5CiI3k8j5u5x4q5NUfYWLh9Rw-2BilpWuxVb6Uw-3D-3D)). - *Bear:* share within custom chips falls from near-100% as MediaTek takes TPU volume; gross margin falls as custom mix rises; the Anthropic ramp could slip "to the right" ($30B instead of $60B); concentrated in labs that are cutting prices 40-50%. - *Watch:* the roughly $10 billion quarterly step-ups from Anthropic; the Q4 print against the $34.8B guide; hyperscaler 2027 capex guides in late January. **NVDA (Nvidia). [OPERATOR + ANALYST/PUNDIT]** - *Bull:* Jensen's case, $50B per gigawatt to build, $40-50B a year in rent; fungible and long-lived GPUs lower the cost of financing; B200 rental demand exceeds Nebius's pricing by 15%; Vera Rubin clusters now shipping at CoreWeave; a guest on RiskReversal calls it "a relatively cheap stock" at $5.5T, flat for six months with 75-100% growth expected ([Hard Fork / The Ezra Klein Show](http://url7324.matterfact.com/ls/click?upn=u001.idHmPrr2Geh7KYLAsTy7NkrIVb-2FgA4pmf2rMXQwGcOicZyXy4PYtwMSrp4yVesDUmbPbBUFOK85Q-2FVbLRBB1fVS-2FJf6GbanaXa4VeUglnVDKwhniqOn7P7-2BJbS7nCkyclr-2B9FaYzX2fHiPZ0VNkxYw-3D-3DIPgf_7mLGwmUci-2BLaXswv9WX1yTgqn3Wad-2FotHhzHgSNAZbUjimFvkvVYBcpK8rvllFuycdQ8BOPHF2-2F4VJe4sGlvsYqBgKB8FXwUh38fmpb1Lg-2FNuEfPhaPSO7OdJGfPln-2FNi2TZTFxlvjYer-2BlrBycYnOWZ7W8w58YkNzUIKYvu5qKBBMGQHfS8lpfxm9k5GrJwHmuOZmgEz3un8IfD6x-2Fz1Q-3D-3D), [RiskReversal Pod](http://url7324.matterfact.com/ls/click?upn=u001.idHmPrr2Geh7KYLAsTy7NkrIVb-2FgA4pmf2rMXQwGcOh2Hfyv50O3RCtzmOOCp4ETE-2BkcGes3nGdTxLFf7dKEY5LpFD6vnZ-2Fq83uEvva2lIHR0-2BxPf0bYboPf6lmopQWKsidSI8aRbXZYAZ7gWe5eUw-3D-3D-6Oo_7mLGwmUci-2BLaXswv9WX1yTgqn3Wad-2FotHhzHgSNAZbUjimFvkvVYBcpK8rvllFuycdQ8BOPHF2-2F4VJe4sGlvsZd7vy5dOqLjdNZK-2B-2BWZyvfbJ2UtiEt87T7u-2Bcm-2FZHLXZ9n6ZDEDRmGNzj-2BAO89sW07g9YziEYlK6TC81S6d1yoXZ6bPM9WvFvYBEgNj3b7LgD1fBMwU2AZ2q9Yzv8pleA-3D-3D)). - *Bear:* custom chips' share rises from ~10% to 25-30%; roughly 70 cents of each dollar earned goes back out as ecosystem investment (circular demand); its biggest customers are building their own inference chips; the reported Hugging Face deal is a defensive move. - *Watch:* CME H100/B200 futures pricing once live; confirmation of the Hugging Face deal; Rubin volume. **MediaTek (2454 TT). [OPERATOR + ANALYST]** - *Bull:* named by two independent sources as Google's TPU second source, "winning some of those projects" on TPU inference chips; strategic partner in Ayar Labs' optics roadmap ([The Circuit](http://url7324.matterfact.com/ls/click?upn=u001.idHmPrr2Geh7KYLAsTy7NkrIVb-2FgA4pmf2rMXQwGcOjZNw2TYqRDYZFYiauJ4dSfz-2BQm530Bsa978aEceMTXJqucPIVVCzFKaCN0aPjSAGtXSUbfzJPUzEeYcMaclLCYl-2B5ezyAxljei9uA0dwIfjw-3D-3DoYIQ_7mLGwmUci-2BLaXswv9WX1yTgqn3Wad-2FotHhzHgSNAZbUjimFvkvVYBcpK8rvllFuycdQ8BOPHF2-2F4VJe4sGlvsWktbTdbLQMBooIWmdENuz7vIZeWa0sKEsLyMWcu4I5LKjIPucKzqafh8JvK3fofiNOMDf0CLoErJRgfuTggU5V3mM-2FigA4g65Gs0q6-2FWjZe-2FWyCjkS1bZops7qA-2BPhENQ-3D-3D), [The Morning Filter](http://url7324.matterfact.com/ls/click?upn=u001.idHmPrr2Geh7KYLAsTy7NkrIVb-2FgA4pmf2rMXQwGcOjXOWC8f-2F3BaIfwOUGDu9nAx9PuZ5MHhUsngaqz0tEwVXUz6u4TiumN1a19O5jHqQBQa0NKqz7gZ6padlBV0DB2cbCrm1bWDsX6N2dr3i5DTg-3D-3DPHGh_7mLGwmUci-2BLaXswv9WX1yTgqn3Wad-2FotHhzHgSNAZbUjimFvkvVYBcpK8rvllFuycdQ8BOPHF2-2F4VJe4sGlvsWs64OVDdMcLSD6oCqGjTBggjOYbnJsh2crziQizZVNq7Gl7VGX7rfWPzTWkc-2Fco0DYPUi-2FF3O71knmdFA1FrPAPb0qUzHpWz7RIs3qgud7UxYYVwu4rWvNL2yT31sXAeg-3D-3D)). - *Bear:* Broadcom says it kept the high-volume, high-complexity TPU line with Google's approval, which may leave MediaTek the smaller part. - *Watch:* any disclosure of which TPU generation and line MediaTek is shipping. **MRVL (Marvell). [ANALYST]** - *Bull:* Morningstar names it one of two real challengers to Broadcom, with designs at Microsoft and AWS; Erickson says Google signed it as a secondary supplier ([The 7investing Podcast](http://url7324.matterfact.com/ls/click?upn=u001.idHmPrr2Geh7KYLAsTy7NkrIVb-2FgA4pmf2rMXQwGcOiT30blD3z-2BNLXaMWKrH9WSfJnec8rnaylZcdEe8xXs26s-2BjZO-2FTkZQDCYM19j-2Fwi-2FB7syVGPKppRG5AyPr7nTk1t9M1feDWiN1ZHGRi15hig-3D-3DYWt5_7mLGwmUci-2BLaXswv9WX1yTgqn3Wad-2FotHhzHgSNAZbUjimFvkvVYBcpK8rvllFuycdQ8BOPHF2-2F4VJe4sGlvsUjTt-2FU1teJnl87aYEnCz-2BfP0eSCcuM2Tdn-2BizNZ2lF7f3-2FY0RAgtKt5Te7oguL-2BKHdj4lsW2dejOnB0NR7wGwqHb390n4B7rZrl3-2By0b0tEM6sSGLsj4X6aU-2FSBotCkPg-3D-3D)). - *Bear:* the TPU second-source role is credited to MediaTek by two other sources; Morningstar calls Marvell's custom business "small" next to Broadcom. - *Watch:* clarity on exactly what Marvell builds for Google; any Maia or Trainium update (none this week). **GOOGL (Alphabet). [ANALYST]** - *Bull:* ten years of TPUs; Broadcom keeps the high-volume line while MediaTek adds a second source, a sensible supply hedge; Google has had 8-9-year-old AI chips "fully in use" ([The Most Interesting Thing in AI](http://url7324.matterfact.com/ls/click?upn=u001.idHmPrr2Geh7KYLAsTy7NkrIVb-2FgA4pmf2rMXQwGcOgmUfhaFNC-2Bc8tVVrpbnw3o-2BG6Xbn41AmhigIMCxQJp8OyFte7C9WoGeDGFLHuqbo0udC9diHmwWEW0naHB12dnuxe99rt7g2ZbCZmFt7xbVg-3D-3Dp_QO_7mLGwmUci-2BLaXswv9WX1yTgqn3Wad-2FotHhzHgSNAZbUjimFvkvVYBcpK8rvllFuycdQ8BOPHF2-2F4VJe4sGlvsUQJecbWrXlf1pVfWHE-2F-2B6Q2q-2BEzGdkvm8ViulhPObnbQ4SwWXSQJxHBfpBGm1k85GYoeAYDRf4C8vDLM5ykcgjLyj9IGQIT6ApV4Kl8Kw0MBpg2NYKpEehV182xs3GHMQ-3D-3D)). - *Bear:* Anthropic, its largest cloud backlog customer, is also becoming Broadcom's biggest chip customer, more of the TPU ecosystem depends on one lab. - *Watch:* how TPU volume splits between Broadcom and MediaTek. **AMZN (Amazon). [ANALYST/OPERATOR, relayed]** - *Bull:* chips in use for "six, six and a half years" supports longer depreciation; Alchip is its design-services partner, per Ayar Labs. - *Bear:* no Trainium 3 or Project Rainier detail for a third straight week; no follow-up on the Qualcomm deal. - *Watch:* Trainium 3 ramp commentary at Q3 earnings. **META (Meta). [PUNDIT]** - *Bull:* $89B of trailing capex; MTIA built with Broadcom and TSMC. - *Bear:* no real MTIA roadmap discussion anywhere this week. - *Watch:* MTIA inference deployment details at earnings. **MSFT (Microsoft). [ANALYST]** - *Bull:* Marvell has a Microsoft design, per Morningstar. - *Bear:* offering "tiered volume discounts, 30 to 50%" on AI services, pricing pressure ([Investing Experts](http://url7324.matterfact.com/ls/click?upn=u001.idHmPrr2Geh7KYLAsTy7NkrIVb-2FgA4pmf2rMXQwGcOjcc2TWOOcP9kS57l79QYKv2c1RHvwuPZNoJ66j4JHZ-2Bkn5n3pl4MBsQ6DHG9VFSNWYAccX-2FvlF6-2Br-2Fj-2FwMnYp-2F62DJ-2BviBBdLbWX9RDnPtXA-3D-3DGD-F_7mLGwmUci-2BLaXswv9WX1yTgqn3Wad-2FotHhzHgSNAZbUjimFvkvVYBcpK8rvllFuycdQ8BOPHF2-2F4VJe4sGlvsSvAUZrLiVQx3iFIZt-2FuNYTwjqq7M5ESmtg0dCL-2B8N9uwe-2FSCTtmQevot-2BI4u-2FH55BViof9KaW40ot-2Fbv11mMnt8DYOCuJWpWhEKUDZKbpLOEEfbb9n7uwFQhsTZmDDqCw-3D-3D)); no Maia commentary. - *Watch:* Maia 2 status (still nothing). **MU (Micron) / SK Hynix / Samsung. [ANALYST]** - *Bull:* Micron guided an 86% gross margin, above Nvidia's peak. - *Bear:* DRAM price increases slowing sharply (+13-18% vs +50-60%); CXMT supply; "shortage to a glut" risk ([Investing Experts](http://url7324.matterfact.com/ls/click?upn=u001.idHmPrr2Geh7KYLAsTy7NkrIVb-2FgA4pmf2rMXQwGcOjcc2TWOOcP9kS57l79QYKv2c1RHvwuPZNoJ66j4JHZ-2Bkn5n3pl4MBsQ6DHG9VFSNWYAccX-2FvlF6-2Br-2Fj-2FwMnYp-2F62DJ-2BviBBdLbWX9RDnPtXA-3D-3DVshY_7mLGwmUci-2BLaXswv9WX1yTgqn3Wad-2FotHhzHgSNAZbUjimFvkvVYBcpK8rvllFuycdQ8BOPHF2-2F4VJe4sGlvsbsasQgZNM4IBSuIgl-2FHKoz7QAYey6h54fGJA3OaG1Q5IXI-2BEHcRQHGjQhVrX9M5SK1Luio83q-2BojwWckRwkYe5IM8EJBe7llGzNgyP7NIUiY0zqmmEN-2BhiUD9uGQq5QeQ-3D-3D)). - *Watch:* Micron's upcoming print, specifically whether it guides gross margin up again. **ORCL (Oracle). [ANALYST/PUNDIT]** - *Bull:* spending is still funded; an 8% cost of debt "is not prohibitive yet." - *Bear:* report of Blue Owl stepping back from a second data center; credit default swaps at highs around 225; stock down 60% from peak ([RiskReversal Pod](http://url7324.matterfact.com/ls/click?upn=u001.idHmPrr2Geh7KYLAsTy7NkrIVb-2FgA4pmf2rMXQwGcOh2Hfyv50O3RCtzmOOCp4ETE-2BkcGes3nGdTxLFf7dKEY5LpFD6vnZ-2Fq83uEvva2lIHR0-2BxPf0bYboPf6lmopQWKsidSI8aRbXZYAZ7gWe5eUw-3D-3D3wyI_7mLGwmUci-2BLaXswv9WX1yTgqn3Wad-2FotHhzHgSNAZbUjimFvkvVYBcpK8rvllFuycdQ8BOPHF2-2F4VJe4sGlvsUpDcbTBJ6yiyfVKF7yijb5VajMYCPmMeXomtGoklIYJh988lL17PjYC5lvbYZ2htH7nmZnJu-2Fkd2EPlXqdXG0jTyfdtR8oAcBP1cA3SKBVLSZn0SVIfSVgvC6eae-2BtMng-3D-3D)). - *Watch:* whether the report is confirmed; the credit spread heading toward double-digit borrowing costs. **NBIS (Nebius) / CRWV (CoreWeave). [OPERATOR]** - *Bull:* Nebius found it was underpricing B200s by 15%, with 4-6 customers per GPU; CoreWeave deploying Vera Rubin and recontracting six-year-old chips ([The Information's TITV](http://url7324.matterfact.com/ls/click?upn=u001.idHmPrr2Geh7KYLAsTy7NkrIVb-2FgA4pmf2rMXQwGcOggYf2MXs8wZaMnLX3Si8Ru7aaQWYwj4Mye7UF89ZrJcyX6tvOouMr9B99MO-2FpXfy-2B3A4wKZtPEh2Ov31efQxSp33LetwfrVcMH5MD8PdzoOA-3D-3DTf4I_7mLGwmUci-2BLaXswv9WX1yTgqn3Wad-2FotHhzHgSNAZbUjimFvkvVYBcpK8rvllFuycdQ8BOPHF2-2F4VJe4sGlvsQq1t4qqSbyigYBVUDKAd1go4889ZRQnCnYU7jEg1fFPU2UWIUueeQu7b3zi-2FlwtfB3vFauFldrJ-2Bu-2FCppBGiTMRGe9D8aOYROY39xz3UoYomkxdJZFTnJ0SyY3Iz1eJnQ-3D-3D), [The Neuron](http://url7324.matterfact.com/ls/click?upn=u001.idHmPrr2Geh7KYLAsTy7NkrIVb-2FgA4pmf2rMXQwGcOiVXoDH8fdkVyuf5XnWP88Q8GbwtU4oa-2FOqPXzfquhPZG8KQIRrxpuITrVyho-2B5cMo-2F-2F1tvsePz1Q0pIjCuF2wSivZ-2FW6-2FBtTZzjFEvqI55hw-3D-3Dhjqd_7mLGwmUci-2BLaXswv9WX1yTgqn3Wad-2FotHhzHgSNAZbUjimFvkvVYBcpK8rvllFuycdQ8BOPHF2-2F4VJe4sGlvsXJcdqrUQTz7SHTY8rW7bgtENNOtdgehaI-2BrS-2B4WxsijHrfJGTR9vF8WYaX6CEhupojhjDrHlpfQHyhaGwboAn-2BOOAY1crzdnhGU8Qzx5ZWAln4TNXFqJyIHRP82g-2BNgcg-3D-3D)). - *Bear:* heavy debt users in a rising-rate world; Chanos's point that being a cloud landlord "was a crummy business" last cycle. - *Watch:* spot-price data from the Nebius marketplace and the CME futures. **BABA (Alibaba). [REPORTER]** - *Bull:* new training chip "three times better" in a few months; $53B+ committed; 20 GW plan. - *Bear:* still chasing Huawei at home and Nvidia abroad; limited capital compared with US hyperscalers. - *Watch:* benchmarks and outside customers for the new chip. **ARM, ALAB (Astera Labs), Alchip (3661 TT), QCOM. [COVERAGE GAP / passing mention]** No real Arm Neoverse or Astera product commentary this week. Alchip came up only through Ayar Labs ("Alchip, obviously, with AWS") and as an optics integration partner. Qualcomm's AWS deal, last week's lead story, got no follow-up. Flagging this rather than filling the gap. ## Read-throughs - **Custom-chip IP (Arm).** No direct Arm commentary this week. The indirect read: Morningstar's view that big customers will run "a couple different XPUs for multiple different use cases" means more chip designs, and more designs means more licensing for whoever provides the CPU cores and interface IP inside them ([The Morning Filter](http://url7324.matterfact.com/ls/click?upn=u001.idHmPrr2Geh7KYLAsTy7NkrIVb-2FgA4pmf2rMXQwGcOjXOWC8f-2F3BaIfwOUGDu9nAx9PuZ5MHhUsngaqz0tEwVXUz6u4TiumN1a19O5jHqQBQa0NKqz7gZ6padlBV0DB2cbCrm1bWDsX6N2dr3i5DTg-3D-3DSYRG_7mLGwmUci-2BLaXswv9WX1yTgqn3Wad-2FotHhzHgSNAZbUjimFvkvVYBcpK8rvllFuycdQ8BOPHF2-2F4VJe4sGlvsQeclAHPp9wH3Inye4eLjxQvD5ldYvXTEY7GzcO0r-2FZmKwikvfUxbutubnATG6mb52JJojKydj2Vpptk1f6qDMQE4sAcpMptlBG9ut5p0We6FqQ-2B-2BSCOlJq-2BwjSz9nbogg-3D-3D)). - **Connectivity (Broadcom, Marvell, Astera Labs, Credo).** Kerwin: "these networking chips connecting XPUs and GPUs together, also vital," and Broadcom's design lead is "second only to NVIDIA." Longer term, Ayar Labs' ~$100B scale-up optics market is both a threat and an opportunity for the copper-based connectivity names, the switch starts on GPUs in 2028-29 ([The Circuit](http://url7324.matterfact.com/ls/click?upn=u001.idHmPrr2Geh7KYLAsTy7NkrIVb-2FgA4pmf2rMXQwGcOjZNw2TYqRDYZFYiauJ4dSfz-2BQm530Bsa978aEceMTXJqucPIVVCzFKaCN0aPjSAGtXSUbfzJPUzEeYcMaclLCYl-2B5ezyAxljei9uA0dwIfjw-3D-3DtETG_7mLGwmUci-2BLaXswv9WX1yTgqn3Wad-2FotHhzHgSNAZbUjimFvkvVYBcpK8rvllFuycdQ8BOPHF2-2F4VJe4sGlvsZ-2FSEcW42VKxhPPZuEfqmzfbXH60TuXa-2BWlDFgYqCF4d2FMukk0SBCCE7VXI3crCrs1UFaChFBDBW8StkfA35MTCTsAEH9qNue2xpviVLEavSKWVMNCjJ7QcZ0Fyo8VAZw-3D-3D)). No UALink or Tomahawk-specific commentary this week. - **ASIC design services (Alchip, MediaTek, GUC).** The clearest read-through this week. MediaTek on Google TPU inference, Alchip with AWS, and all three positioned by Ayar Labs as the "zero risk" channel through which optics reach hyperscaler chips. As custom chips move from one supplier to several, these firms get the extra share. - **Advanced packaging and TSMC.** Ayar Labs is betting on "TSMC COUPE" plus outsourced assembly for its optical engines, and describes "lots of wafers flowing out of the fab right now." The more technology is packaged together (chip + memory + optics), the more TSMC's advanced packaging capacity controls who ships. Nothing new on CoWoS capacity this week. - **HBM / memory (SK Hynix, Micron, Samsung).** Margins at record highs (Micron 86% guided) as price increases slow and CXMT adds supply. Memory is the part of the AI chip cost stack most likely to turn first, watch Micron's upcoming guide ([Investing Experts](http://url7324.matterfact.com/ls/click?upn=u001.idHmPrr2Geh7KYLAsTy7NkrIVb-2FgA4pmf2rMXQwGcOjcc2TWOOcP9kS57l79QYKv2c1RHvwuPZNoJ66j4JHZ-2Bkn5n3pl4MBsQ6DHG9VFSNWYAccX-2FvlF6-2Br-2Fj-2FwMnYp-2F62DJ-2BviBBdLbWX9RDnPtXA-3D-3DYaBM_7mLGwmUci-2BLaXswv9WX1yTgqn3Wad-2FotHhzHgSNAZbUjimFvkvVYBcpK8rvllFuycdQ8BOPHF2-2F4VJe4sGlvsUb-2Fkg-2FLV8E2C1hMXvF7NjnD1NsYYAxWvgoSxM4JN89UkwQWrPBEmMMqpPD8GV1pq7O25ZN3t6P7gsQpurUnB2sSmxzjROgYj13kvZSlOAEa72G6lmdmXMXs04GRR2z3rQ-3D-3D)). - **GPU rental and financing (Nebius, CoreWeave, CME).** GPU rental futures and evidence of long chip lifespans help Nvidia's financing advantage; Kedrosky's 2029 maturity wall and Oracle's credit spreads are the other side of it ([The Business Brew](http://url7324.matterfact.com/ls/click?upn=u001.idHmPrr2Geh7KYLAsTy7NkrIVb-2FgA4pmf2rMXQwGcOj0aSHvFf4bGTstT4nKNvvzms-2F2Rzk94i-2FNTEqU1EF4NU7B94yRbG7y36uIdtHCnYRloYHJ-2FcX4m7ZEfafGcaB9VnXt0HzjWGIFrZxkoXR-2BAQ-3D-3DSDpQ_7mLGwmUci-2BLaXswv9WX1yTgqn3Wad-2FotHhzHgSNAZbUjimFvkvVYBcpK8rvllFuycdQ8BOPHF2-2F4VJe4sGlvsVzh2WtZaJNjPbA0AZYodHo-2B9NASZTI-2BumWLhnARhq85tD-2Fig9H3gOz7Xs2NqaGozOdveyIp5B413kMjW2nEXVb1fWdBjy2ePsFtasu-2BGe0UoreXHiYnMbqFaBAR5pwyew-3D-3D), [Between Two COO's](http://url7324.matterfact.com/ls/click?upn=u001.idHmPrr2Geh7KYLAsTy7NkrIVb-2FgA4pmf2rMXQwGcOhYjJDwruxwdiRJEHVjjOHFOKjq33K-2Bav1l6ukU1oit2X-2BgdEPq93v5tvbkdKVGgUblKdRo-2F-2BA0npXCOR8pzA8WP62ZCAfVShDSHp4V1gfnhg-3D-3DFf8f_7mLGwmUci-2BLaXswv9WX1yTgqn3Wad-2FotHhzHgSNAZbUjimFvkvVYBcpK8rvllFuycdQ8BOPHF2-2F4VJe4sGlvsb7Pvbci6fYotxWerAmoHbnqtsimWi9MUgeV5u-2FtwxweH3c6CeCtOANEAxDwL-2Fz7c7dVlU35QWjkn1uUKNtQP3tlwsSZ3b3yy7eFGdfmPi1qVSq22FX3-2BYRtWrITQNJL5A-3D-3D)). ## What changed vs last week - **Broadcom back at the center.** Last week: no fresh Broadcom design-win news; it came up only in Apollo's financing comments. This week: two full episodes, and the biggest customer news in custom silicon, Anthropic overtaking Google in 2027, with guidance to FY28 affirmed. - **The margin question got answered.** Last week we worried that warrant deals hand chip designers' profits back to the hyperscalers. This week Morningstar explained the other half of the margin math: custom chips lower gross margin, but customer co-investment keeps operating margin flat. Both can be true, the designers stay highly profitable, just without much operating leverage. - **The Google second source is MediaTek, not (just) Marvell.** Last week's Marvell pitch leaned on the Google warrant deal. This week two sources, one an operator, named MediaTek as the TPU second source, and Broadcom reportedly kept the high-volume line. Marvell's exact Google role is now less clear. - **Last week's demand worry got a partial answer.** Last week, Ramp's data showed spending by top AI buyers down 9.7% and token prices down 41%. This week the service price cuts went further (Opus 5.5 40% cheaper, OpenAI -50%, Microsoft discounts of 30-50%), but compute rental prices held firm (Nebius 15% underpriced). The squeeze is landing on the labs, not the chip owners. So far. - **The depreciation debate flipped.** Last week we relayed Michael Burry's claim that hyperscalers understate depreciation by up to $175 billion. This week brought strong counter-evidence: chips running productively for 6-9 years, Silicon Data's higher residual values, and Jensen's "asset class like an airplane" argument. It isn't settled, Thompson's "high value use" objection stands, but the bears no longer have the only data. - **Nvidia's ecosystem spending, re-framed.** Last week: Nvidia anchoring Anthropic's IPO with up to $10 billion. This week: Jensen's defense ("we can't really create demand"), the skeptics' 70-cents-per-dollar critique, and a reported Hugging Face deal. - **Oracle got worse.** Last week: Ellison called off a $7.5 billion stock sale. This week: a reported second Blue Owl pull-back and credit spreads at highs. - **The Fed hike is confirmed as done.** 7investing mentioned "the Fed bump 25 basis points"; Nebius's CRO said each 100 basis points raises the cost of compute. Rates are now a direct cost for the AI build-out, not just a background risk. - **Qualcomm went quiet.** Last week's lead story got no follow-up anywhere in this week's podcasts. Not a negative signal, just no new information. What did **not** change: still no operator commentary on Microsoft's Maia, Meta's MTIA, Amazon's Trainium 3 / Project Rainier, Arm's Neoverse, Astera Labs, UALink networking, or TSMC's CoWoS capacity. 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